I have a question. I saw the bird in question to day, which was about 30 yds off shore. What I saw was two very distinct white circular patches closer to Big Sibley's juvenile 1st winter White-winged Scoter. I did not see the vertical white secondaries nor did the frontal patch appear vertical. This is a request for comment. Ray Porter Highlands, Tx Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner