Imho, the issue isn't about the safety of birding the Valley. It is whether the Land Fund should ask a volunteer to be at the Salineno birding spot at night. I think that is a very different thing. I've been birding the Valley since 2000. I've been to Salineno numerous times and agree with Anthony that, with the mist rising off the water at dawn, it is a magical place. I think it is one of the special places in the Valley, and I encourage everyone to bird there any chance they get. That said, I wouldn't encourage anyone to be there at night. Here's why. One morning in 2005, having just left the DeWind's after the dawn/early morning show, I was walking to my car that was parked along the road. I glanced towards the river and saw some folks crossing over from Mexico. Nothing unusual about that, no problem. Then, a roaring sound and a cloud of dust came blasting down the road from the town side. A dark blue Suburban with blackened windows was barreling towards us. I, and everyone else there, starting running to get out of the road, so as not to get hit. The SUV wheeled around at the end of the road and stopped, pointing towards town, motor running. Beefy guys jumped out and threw open the back doors of the SUV. Just then a small boat motored quickly to shore from somewhere downriver, bumping to a stop on the beach. Guys in the boat started tossing rectangular-shaped bundles at the beefy guys, who caught the bundles and threw them into the back of the SUV. The boat guys took off, the SUV guys jumped into the SUV and tore up the road at top speed. My hackles were up and I expected to hear gunshots at any moment. It all happened in a flash, it was like something out of a movie...surreal. Drug thugs are not the same as hardworking folks looking for a better life. Drug thugs hurt, and sometimes, kill people. When I had my Edwards County place, a very remote spot, "traveling folks" were part of everyday life there. It was standard practice there to leave food and water out for them. I left the old cabin on my place unlocked in case they needed shelter. If I saw them passing by I would nod, sometimes wave. They didn't bother me, I didn't bother them. We had a peaceful coexistence. On one visit a neighbor told me how he found evidence of someone using his place for drugs, as in meth. Meth thugs would most likely be home grown, but drug thugs of any kind are dangerous people. I was rattled. On one visit when arriving at my place I found someone had tried to break into my locked cabin. They must have been interrupted by someone coming to the well and so took off, before they could break all the way in. I was fortunate that time, but given that most of the time I was there by myself, my anxiety level went up and I never felt comfortable being there at night again. That feeling was part of the reason I decided to sell the place in early 2011. Having seen drug thugs in action in Salineno with my own eyes, night time there would make my anxiety level go up too. I wouldn't want to be there at night, and I would never ask anyone else to be there at night either. I agree with Tabak and the Land Fund. During the day, with its visiting birders for company, Salineno is fairly safe. But night time, when drug thugs are more likely to be out and about, is risky. Why take that risk? FWIW, Lori Markoff Austin Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner