Not all leaders are cut out to be good ones. LaSalle comes to mind here, Joshua Gregg may be another. Both were successful for a time but eventually were killed or left to die by those they led. I have heard of a couple of bird guides who died while on duty, apparently scouting for Fishing Owls is dangerous work, but never have I heard of a birding field trip leader being killed or left to die by the tour participants. A good birding guide needs to be a leader and confident. Those two qualities invariably cause problems when their human side arises, i.e. they become human and make mistakes. I consider myself a good bird guide, maybe an exceptional one but not that exceptional of a birder. As I age especially, my ears are gone, my eyes are shot, and I think one thing and out of my mouth comes another. If you go with me on a field trip you will see me make mistakes. I would like to think I or the group corrects all of them on any given day but probably not, as we are all human. Personally I would never be a "leader" in an area I was not extremely familiar with. I would know the basic ecology of the area, the dominant plants and when to expect at least 95% of the birds. My mistakes are usually miss-speaks (a 60+ thing) or being too quick to try to get everyone on a bird without looking at it as well as I should. But sometimes I probably just plain miss something and miss call a bird. I always welcome questions and comments. I like to call out the field marks as we watch a bird so everyone can identify the bird on their own. Unfortunately many birds don't present themselves to this type of study. I also have on all my trips many novices so they are happy to study a Savannah Sparrow or an Orange-crowned Warbler. Fortunately they do not expect me to find and identify a Thayer's Gull! If a leader does not have a willingness to have their identifications questioned and then present a case for the field marks, behavior, calls distribution and time of year, and why it is not a more common alternative species, then I suggest you find a new leader. If they tell you they are sure of an identification because they are very familiar with the species, be very skeptical. Of course I might tell you that about a flock of Western Meadowlark! Fred Collins (281) 357-5324 Director: Kleb Woods Nature Center Cypress Top Historical Park Commissioner Steve Radack Harris County Precinct 3 www.pct3.hctx.net<http://www.pct3.hctx.net> Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner