birders need this BTW) and they give the typical arrival dates in the fall as late Sept. but they don't show any outliers, just the typical dates. "Birdlife of Houston, Galveston and the Upper Texas Coast" give typical arrival date as early Oct but with outliers to Sept 14. The TOS Handbook (2004) also has typical arrival dates listed as late Sept. I did not check BLOT due to its more dated publication. ********************************************************************** Brush Freeman 503-551-5150 Cell http://texasnaturenotes.blogspot.com/ Finca Alacranes., Utley,Texas Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner