I thought I would post a follow up with some thoughts on paying for access. I'm not at all opposed to paying and trying to help give some incentive for landowners to both conserve habitat and open access to birders. The issue to me is the cost and pricing structure. I would be happy to pay something like $40 to $60 dollars the first day, and then have free access for the remainder of the week. Or perhaps $100 for an entire year... These prices are still a little steep for me, but they are reasonable in a county that lacks virtually all public access. It seems to me that a price structure like this wouldn't cut the profits of the ranch either but would increase access to those wanting to bird it. Other prices for bed and breakfasts and possibly photography could remain high, under the assumption that those wanting to do these activities typically have more money to do so. There's also one other thing that's been bothering me. Most of these ranches heavily advertise one special bird: Ferruginous Pygmy-Owl. This is the reason to pay a hefty entry fee. The problem with this is that the moment a pygmy-owl shows up elsewhere, especially if its publicly accessible like a state park, then the reason to visit these ranches and pay their fee disappears. I would like to see more of an emphasis on birding wonderful places that have entire ecosystems conserved rather than a single bird, however cool it may be. It seems like the way to promote this is through a more flexible payment fee, possibly one that costs a little less and especially one conducive for extended birding. A couple of other strategies also have come to my mind for birding Kenedy County. First, I noticed yesterday that one can see across the Laguna Salada into Kenedy County from Kleberg County. We took FM 628 east (the turn off from Hwy 77 is just north of Riviera) and ended up on CR 1120 when we hit the Laguna Salada. We were able to look into Kenedy County, so this might be a way to find some ducks, shorebirds, and other water birds. I guess this kind of depends on your rules for counting county birds. Do you have to be in the county too or just the birds? The second idea I had was doing the LRGV birding festival in November and signing up for every trip you can in Kenedy County. This will get you access to places like the King Ranch and El Canelo, probably at a lower cost. Anyway, these are just a few of my thoughts. My wife and I just finished up Kleberg County (two Anhinga soaring above the Santa Gertrudis wetland put us over the 100 species mark), so we're headed to Kenedy now. Thanks for all the replies. -- Jay Packer (sent from my phone) Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner