Matt and all: Nice post on the hummer dilemma...I'll pass on getting involved on that, as if I could with any authority. . That said your anlaogy with the martin above is dead on. Last winter there were Dec. birds reported from the coast and south Texas (even Palmetto SP in Central Texas) that I since wondered about. Nearly always these birds are reported as Purples, (likely a few are actually Rough-wingeds) and the best odds are that they were usually ID'ed correctly, but given the needle in the haystack scenerio you mentioned,.I just figure it is worth the time and effort to ensure these are indeed Purples and not Gray-breasteds in that short window of time (Dec. 1- Jan.31) we have to pick thru far less straw for reverse migrants. It has been a good while since I have heard the buggers, but do recall them sounding different though similar to Purples. Perhaps it is worth studying vocalizations again to nail that difference down as we head out for various CBC and winter excursions. Assuming that difference is something that our ears can retain. I suppose that there is a one in billion chance of a Sinaloa Martin (west) or maybe one in two billion chance of a Cuban Martin (coast). :-) Martins are a can of worms but worth the effort in the depth of our winter's mere two months here of mostly martin free skies.. ********************************************************************** Brush Freeman 503-551-5150 Cell http://texasnaturenotes.blogspot.com/ Finca Alacranes., Utley,Texas Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner