[texbirds] Re: FW: Collared Plover YES - but with current / future access problems
- From: Brush Freeman <brushfreeman@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: Beth.Duncan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 14:18:25 -0500
Disclaimer: I am not an expert on herbicides but have been involved with a
lot of farmers and dad was in the business back in the the days when FAR
stronger solutions were applied. A number of the modern herbicides
break-down very quickly from sunlight (?) etc....Thus perhaps the 48 hr.
wait time. The farmer REALLY needs to do his job as his livelihood depends
on it..
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Brush Freeman
503-551-5150 Cell
120 N. Red Bud Trail. Elgin, Tx. 78621
http://texasnaturenotes.blogspot.com/
Finca Alacranes., Utley,Texas
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Brush Freeman <brushfreeman@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Depending on what is used (IE Round-Up etc.) when sprayed from a plane
> some of that stuff is pretty potent. Pilots can not spray this stuff when
> people are within a drift zone. The purpose is kill the plants so the
> stalks and bolls will quickly dry out uniformly so the mechanical picker
> can harvest dry bolls and seperate...One can not contend with green bolls
> with the equipment or the process. Scheduling a crop duster is hard and
> weather conditions have to be right...IE low winds. It is also expensive.
> What they use now is far less toxic than 25-30 years ago , but you really
> don't want to inhale it or have skin contact with the mist.
>
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> Brush Freeman
> 503-551-5150 Cell
> 120 N. Red Bud Trail. Elgin, Tx. 78621
> http://texasnaturenotes.blogspot.com/
> Finca Alacranes., Utley,Texas
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Beth Duncan <Beth.Duncan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> I have not been down there but it sounds to me like the landowner is not
>> trying to restrict viewing from the road because he wants to be difficult,
>> but that he is letting people know it will not be safe to be there after
>> the spraying of the field. I'm sure he has some sort of legal obligation
>> to inform anyone that could be in harms' way. If someone were to be out
>> there and get sick from the overspray I'm sure he would be liable in some
>> way. He is just trying to CYA I'm sure. I know nothing about crop
>> spraying and how long those residues linger. I guess if after the spraying
>> is done and there is no danger to anyone (lingering residue) then an
>> argument could be made that it's a public road and anyone has a right to
>> access it and set up viewing as long as they are not blocking traffic, etc.
>>
>>
>> Beth Duncan
>> Leander, TX
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: texbirds-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:texbirds-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Clay Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 1:01 PM
>> To: texbirds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [texbirds] FW: Collared Plover YES - but with current / future
>> access problems
>>
>> Charles et al -
>>
>> I am not up on the laws pertaining to a person's legal right to be
>> standing on the side of a public road, nor how far the right of way extends
>> from the centerline of the road, where the land owner's rights kick in,
>> etc., etc.
>>
>> There have been numerous threads on texBirds talking about a birder's
>> rights to stand on a public road and look / photograph private property,
>> but the only actual laws / ordinances quoted (I think by David S.) only
>> specifically mentioned photographing people, not property or land, without
>> authorization.
>>
>> Nobody asked the fellow's name or who the actual landowner was, nor gave
>> him any backtalk, but after he left there were some indignant mutterings.
>>
>> What concerns me is the many (dozens? hundreds?) of birders currently on
>> the way to S TX that might not hear about these complications before
>> arriving at the spot, or might choose to act badly when confronted.
>>
>> I would always urge birders to respect the local residents / landowners /
>> etc., in any and all dealings with our desire to see a bird.
>>
>>
>> Clay Taylor
>> TOS Life Member
>> Calallen (Corpus Christi), TX
>> Clay.taylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Charles W. Easley [mailto:cwebirds@xxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 11:53 AM
>> To: Clay Taylor
>> Subject: Re: [texbirds] Collared Plover YES - but with current / future
>> access problems
>>
>> Clay: Could you clear up some confusion. The location / locations where
>> one tries to view the bird. Is it public or private land?
>> I, like you, do not care for confrontations. If it's private, I
>> understand the farmer. If it's public, the farmer needs to back off abit.
>> And I would not want to be sprayed, I understand that. But once he's
>> done, we would like to try for the bird. Thanks much
>>
>> Charles Easley
>> Life TOS Member
>> Cleburne, Texas
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Clay Taylor
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 11:03 AM
>> To: texbirds@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [texbirds] Collared Plover YES - but with current / future
>> access problems
>>
>> Hi all -
>>
>> Debbie and I arrived at the 1st St. Spot at 8:30 am and were informed
>> that it was last seen about 20 minutes ago. Bummer.
>>
>> As we stood on the berm and scanned for the bird, the local farmer came
>> by and said that an an hour he was going to be spraying defoliant on the
>> cotton
>> fields and needed everybody away from the area for 48 hours. He was not
>> very cordial, and we did not want to start an ugly confrontation, so we
>> agreed, and he left.
>>
>> About 9:45, Bill Clark spotted a Buff-bellied Sandpiper that flew in and
>> landed at the near edge of the pond, and flew away again after only a few
>> minutes.
>>
>> At 10am we left the 1st St. Spot and went over to Rt. 490 and viewed by
>> the
>> gate in the fence. We all pulled our cars well off the road surface, and
>> scanned from the grass (watch the grass burrs!).
>>
>> At about 10:15, Todd McGrath and I spotted the bird in the mixed bushes
>> about midway between the road and the pond - probably 200 yards away.
>> There is a concrete culvert segment in an open muddy area, and there were
>> 6+ Killdeer, a few Snowy Plovers, and the Collared all moving back and
>> forth in
>> the area. The heat shimmer was pretty bad, and it required a bit of
>> patience and correct positioning by the bird to get diagnostic looks.
>>
>> This spot should be very good in the afternoon, as the light will be
>> favorable, and hopefully the heat shimmer dies down. However, if the
>> bird
>> goes to feed along the north side of the pond, that will be a LONG
>> distance view.
>>
>> I do not know what and if can be done about the farmer / spraying issue
>> and access during / after the spraying, but I am guessing that he will not
>> hesitate to call the Sheriff and claim interference in his farming or some
>> related complaint.
>>
>> Be VERY careful if you are viewing from 490, as there is a LOT of
>> traffic, especially big trucks.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Clay Taylor
>> Calallen (Corpus Christi) TX
>> Clay.taylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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