Something about the available photos for the Cameron county bird bothered me. Indeed, I ID'd the bird as a Purple Finch in my response to Mary Beth. Yet, most responders suggested that this female bird was a Cassin's Finch. So, I looked at female specimens of these two species in our collections: 4 Cassin's and 14 Purple Finches. Here are the results: Exposed culmen [measurement of bill length] - CF 13.3-13.6mm, with an outlier of 11.0; PF 11.0-12.1mm, with an outlier of 8.9 Tail extension past wings -CF 15.9-25.3mm; PF 20.6-40.8 [highly variable, depending on the "make" of the skin, but generally, CF has a longer wing than PF [1 PF lacked a tail]. White superviliary "patch" [subjective, but seems reliable] barely perceptible [= category 1] in 3 of the 4 CF, 1 category 2; PF 1 category 1, 1 category 2, 1 category 2/3, 3 category 3, 5 category 3/4. 4 category 4. No PF had an eye ring and 2 of the 4 CF had weak eye tings. All 4 CF had a whitish appearance around the base of the bill, but so did 5 of the PF The bill length and exposed tail length support CF, but the superciliary "patch" supports PF. The eye ring and white around the base of the bill seem inconclusive. The width and length of ventral striping is highly variable in PF I'll let Texbirders draw their own conclusions. Keith Arnold Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner