Winnie, great information, thanks. I stopped to talk (write) about the problem with people multiplying so fast and taking over what left from the land available for other species. I just do not want to sound like I am against humanity and their right to reproduction. It seems that people have to find out the consequences by themselves in the near future. Too bad that so much damage will be done that is not repairable. If somebody think that people can live like ants in colonies, good luck. I wonât be around to see it but have imagination; scary enough. Predation is a problem but in my opinion (have some interesting documentation) this is also tied with too many people coming to the beach and leaving too much trash attracting gulls, raccoons etc. Small colony of nesting LETE wouldnât support even a few predators (like raccoons) longer then few days. And ghosts crabs do not eat ternâs eggs or chicks. Study was done. WOLCOTT and WOLCOTT âHIGH MORTALITY OF PIPING PLOVERS ON BEACHES WITH ABUNDANT GHOST CRABS: CORRELATION, NOT CAUSATIONâ. BTW LETE eggs and chicks are much bigger. You are also right that there is a lot of subjects that cannot be discuss here for many reasons. Talk about LETE - I am a game. I will make time if I have none. Perhaps no subject for a separate post but I take my hat off to people who do all bird counts (and do it right). I just never have time to do that and count only sporadically, and only birds I need their count. Counting LETEs might be a fun for me but it is not easy. Bolivar Peninsula have several places when they stop during migration (Bolivar flats is just on of them). Like here I had about 1300-1500 (probably more but I always prefer lowest number to be safe) just in one flock - incredible sight, perhaps to me. On this photo only a small flock fraction is shown. Still about 170 fits inside the frame (somebody wants exact count - do it yourself; I got enough of counting during last month or so) plus a few plovers, sanderlings, dunlins etc. So perhaps fun thing to do - how many LETEs are there (in photo). http://www.pbase.com/mbb/image/149612590/original Hard to keep posting without even one photo:) Mark B Bartosik Houston, Texas http://www.pbase.com/mbb/from_the_field In a message dated 4/9/2013 5:29:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, wbburkett@xxxxxxx writes: Mark you have once again touched on a lot of issues and it is difficult if not impossible to get into all of them here. From my point of view the biggest problem Least Terns and all other birds have is too many people. More and more people move to Houston every day and most want to go to the beach. They need education and we as people who care about birds need to be part of that effort every day we are in the field. I started working to protect Bolivar Flats Least Terns in 1992. Posting the colony worked well and talking to beach goers and fishermen was very satisfying. Then the raccoons and coyotes figured out what was going on and reproductive success went down. Least Terns have lots of predator problems not just mammals. Laughing Gulls and grackles get the eggs and chicks. I have heard even ghost crabs eat them. Houston Audubon has an intern who will be looking for nesting Least Terns, protecting nesting locations and educating the public. You could help with this effort by donating to their Intern Fund. The years after Ike were actually very good for Least Terns as large areas on the peninsula were covered with sand (perfect for Least Tern nesting) and predator numbers were knocked back by the storm surge. Grass has grown and predator population has increased things keep changing. As a Bolivar Peninsula property owner and sanctuary manager for Houston Audubon I have been very involved in hurricane recovery on the peninsula. Yes there is money for a fishing pier in Gilchrist it comes from FEMA to compensate for recreational opportunities lost due to Ike and cleanup. It will be a great place for birding too, but each year that building is delayed the money builds less. I am on the board of a Bolivar Peninsula non-profit whose goal is rebuilding the peninsula economy while protecting its natural resources. You see the peninsula will rebuild wether we like it or not, that is unless we can find millions of dollars to buy up the land and protect. Protecting the natural resources is supported by many Bolivar residents and businesses as they know that is why people come to the peninsula. I would be happy to sit down and talk to you about all these issues if you have the time. It is really too complicated for this forum. Winnie Burkett Friendswood & the Bolivar Peninsula Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner