Thanks to every one who replied, pulled set in for no vert deflection, replaced c4e5 and c4e6(100/35v, and 2200/35v respectively, and vert op(la7838), still no deflection, could turn vert height control to get partial deflection, input @pin2 was 4.9v, pin1 was normal@11v, pin13 and 8 were 28.91v,pin12 output, was 26 volts, later changed q4a1(nte382) was leaky, no change, changed all caps, no change, checked voltage on rf41 had 26v on both sides, r4e7, which is tied to vert height on one side and the other is connected to r4f1, had only 2.6 v , c4e6 had leaked electrolyte and really mucked up board, I had cleaned but did not notice,very small trace eaten up between+ side of c4e6 and pin6 of mb connector, jumping trace restored full operation, once again thanks for the replies. charles betzler Best Electronics repair1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ***************************************************************************** Classifieds! Buy or Sell! http://sell.tech-assist.org The Tech Address Book: http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address: http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm Lost Password: http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Lost your Login Info?". Email Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/