[TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
- From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:03:36 -0400
In the situation you mention, the shop is the purchaser and the user, so the
use by various employees is within the scope of the purpose for which the
manual was sold.
Jerry Silverman
Greentron Inc
4 Newland Ave
Greenville SC 29609
864 232 3889
Fax 271 2080
mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillip R. Hull" <phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 5:15 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
>
> It looks like alot of shops are going to be out of business, some have
> bought one schematic of a ctc132 and atleast 50 techs over the years have
> used the same schematic. They must owe thousands of dollar in fees just
for
> this one schematic. I guess we will have to close up too.
> Phillip R Hull
> phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 4:44 PM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
>
>
> >
> > You can lend it, sell it, shread it, stomp on it, burn it. You just cant
> > copy it in any form legally. Same as copywrited software. You can put it
> > into your computer. Even put it into your new computer if you retire the
> old
> > one. But you are not supposed to put it into computers primarily used by
> > other persons. Companies that buy software for use in a number of
> computers
> > are supposed to pay seperately for each copy. You can buy a special
> license
> > from the publisher that may permit you to make a specific number of
copies
> > for a specific purpose, if they wish to offer it.
> > Jerry Silverman
> > Greentron Inc
> > 4 Newland Ave
> > Greenville SC 29609
> > 864 232 3889
> > Fax 271 2080
> > mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:47 AM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > If another technician in your shop needed a print that you had would
you
> > > lend it to him, (her)? Sure you would! So this "shop" has 800
> technicians,
> > > right?
> > > End of discussion, please!
> > > Jim Myers
> > > Telrad Electronic Services Co.
> > > Fort Wayne, IN 46815
> > > jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > 260-432-4486 Fax and Voice
> > > Fax is always on
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "mark brock" <brock@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 9:54 AM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think they mean you can't sell there copy of the print, I.e. "
> not
> > > for profit " so lend it or copy it but dont' sell it. ok, maybe
I'm
> > > reading more into it than there really is but they made the print to
> make
> > > the machine, it doesn't cost much but paper and ink to copy it,
we're
> > > helping the mfg. out by being able to repair the junk they make. I
can
> > > tell you that many people will not purchase an item if it can't be
> > repaired,
> > > so prints are for the good of the mfg. as for me If I have a
print
> > and
> > > can help someone out, they're welcome to it, it certainly doesn't
> bother
> > > me in the least. I also take tips
> > > brock
> > > Brock Electronics
> > > R.R.4 box 237
> > > Independence Ks. 67301
> > > 620-331-0235
> > > fax 331-7191
> > >
> > > brock@xxxxxxx
> > > mailto:brock@xxxxxxx
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gary McCartney <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Date: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:50 PM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >I don't believe that personal use stuff. (I don't really follow
> > > >copyright laws, but thats another story). On most copyrights I've
read
> > > >they say something to the affect that you can not copy, whole or in
> > > >part, for any reason. I bet Bill Gates wouldn't allow you to copy
> > > >Windows for a buddy even though it's not for money. When you copy a
> > > >schematic, the publisher is losing money, whether it's to fix your
own
> > > >TV or a customers TV. I'll even go one step further. If you loan a
> > > >schematic to someone, even if it is to be returned to you, the
> publisher
> > > >is losing money on a sale because your friend doesn't have to go buy
it
> > > >himself.
> > > >
> > > >I also think the publishers do a decent job of ripping us off. I paid
> > > >$100.00 CDN for an RCA projection service manual, so I say they stole
> > > >from me. Ya, I know. I'm helping to pay for all the manuals that are
> > > >copied.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Gary McCartney
> > > >
> > > >McCartney Electronics
> > > >7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > >Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > >Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > >email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Wayne Vanaman wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I just looked at a Panasonic, copywrite; TCE, copywrite; JVC,
> > copywrite;
> > > >> Mitsubishi-No copywrite.
> > > >>
> > > >> As far as including service data with each set, when there are high
> > > failure
> > > >> rates that might be reasonable. If failure rates are low it is a
> > waste.
> > > It
> > > >> appears to me, the best I can tell, that RCA has about a 2.5-3% in
> > > warranty
> > > >> failure rate.
> > > >>
> > > >> As far as libraries with copy machines, back to what Paul said:
> > personal
> > > >> use, not for profit. I bet if you were "caught" making copies and
> then
> > > >> charging for repairs you made using that information you could be
> > > >> prosocuted. The question is, would it be worth it to the
> > > >> Manufacturer/Publisher to chase you down.
> > > >>
> > > >> There are many illegal activities that go un-persecuted.
> > > >>
> > > >> Wayne Vanaman
> > > >> Omega Electronics
> > > >> 6904 W Fairfield Dr
> > > >> Pensacola, Fl. 32506-3310
> > > >>
> > > >> 850-456-5995 voice
> > > >> 850-458-6369 fax
> > > >>
> > > >> Mailto:Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> WWW.PensacolaTVRepair.Com
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "Gary McCartney" <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:16 PM
> > > >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact cost?
> > > >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If they go back to including a manual with each set sold, nobody
> > would
> > > >> > have to make a copy, so there wouldn't have to be a copyright
law.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Now all this talk about libraries having the Sams manuals, how do
> > they
> > > >> > justify allowing everyone to make copies?? Why does every
library
> > even
> > > >> > have a photocopier? It seems to me almost anything found in a
> library
> > > >> > would be protected under copyright law, so it seems strange that
> > > >> > libraries are helping everyone break the law. Oh well, better for
> us
> > > >> > anyways.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Gary McCartney
> > > >> >
> > > >> > McCartney Electronics
> > > >> > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > >> > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > >> > Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > >> > email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Doug Keller wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > There should be no "copyright" laws on service literature,
unless
> > > they
> > > >> want to
> > > >> > > go back to including a service manual with each set sold.
> > > >> > > Doug
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Paul Gendreau wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > Walter:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > When then material is shared the profit comes from use of the
> > > >> material.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > No, you don't make a profit when you share a manual. But the
> > > person
> > > >> who
> > > >> > > > uses it does when he collects money from a customer, and that
> was
> > > >> money lost
> > > >> > > > to the person who was owed for the copyright.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Best regards,
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > --== Paul ==--
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> > > > Paul R. Gendreau, Jr.
> > > >> > > > Tel: 207-490-1835
> > > >> > > > Fax: 207-490-1893
> > > >> > > > Email: Paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > http://www.servicesoftware.com
> > > >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> > > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of walter
> wood
> > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:08 PM
> > > >> > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams photofact
> cost?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > I'm also a musician, and you can bet that the
> > > >> > > > copyright laws are well known to us.
> > > >> > > > The bottom line on copying, be it tape or
> > > >> > > > photocopy, to determine legality, hinges on profit.
> > > >> > > > If the copies are for personal use, and/or there is
> > > >> > > > NO profit made on the deal, then no law is broken.
> > > >> > > > As I interpet that, we can share our resources and
> > > >> > > > knowledge as much as we want, but the minute
> > > >> > > > someone charges as much as a penny, that is
> > > >> > > > copyright infringement.
> > > >> > > > And, of course, the manufacturers don't want
> > > >> > > > equipment repaired anyway.
> > > >> > > > For that matter neither do the retailers, and
> > > >> > > > discount stores.
> > > >> > > > Everyone simply wants to profit selling new junk.
> > > >> > > > Walter--- Jim Myers <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > Probably not exactly legal but I agree with Ed, I
> > > >> > > > > don't think any of the
> > > >> > > > > manufacturers really care if we do this anyway.
> > > >> > > > > At least their products are
> > > >> > > > > getting repaired in the field.
> > > >> > > > > Jim Myers
> > > >> > > > > Telrad Electronic Services Co.
> > > >> > > > > Fort Wayne, IN 46815
> > > >> > > > > jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > > 260-432-4486 Fax and Voice
> > > >> > > > > Fax is always on
> > > >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > > > From: "Ed Gaidies" <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:16 AM
> > > >> > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought? RE:Sams
> > > >> > > > > photofact cost?
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > My thinking on this is, since TechAssist is being
> > > >> > > > > run on a voluntary basis,
> > > >> > > > > implementing a service such as this would be more
> > > >> > > > > time consuming for the
> > > >> > > > > guys that only have so many hours in a day, 32
> > > >> > > > > the last time I checked.
> > > >> > > > > Plus charging a fee for Service Literature would
> > > >> > > > > infringe on copyright of
> > > >> > > > > the companies involved. Paying these companies
> > > >> > > > > for use of their material
> > > >> > > > > would again show their greed.
> > > >> > > > > Keep the sharing of Service info on a
> > > >> > > > > peer-to-peer basis, If I have it, your
> > > >> > > > > welcome...If you have it..I'm welcome.
> > > >> > > > > This is one of the reasons Tech's go to a
> > > >> > > > > Peer Group like TechAssist,
> > > >> > > > > help is being supplied on a personal basis.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > -Ed-
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > From: walter wood <wwood_38478@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > > > > Reply-To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >> > > > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: a new thought?
> > > >> > > > > RE:Sams photofact cost?
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > Gary; Think again. I DO buy SAMS, I just don't
> > > >> > > > > > subscribe. I suspect that most other non
> > > >> > > > > > subscribers buy on an as needed basis as I do.
> > > >> > > > > > Also consider the help that some of us render
> > > >> > > > > from
> > > >> > > > > > PartsFinder, Z-tips, WinsTips, Jeff's tip CD,
> > > >> > > > > and
> > > >> > > > > > the thousands of dollars of factory schematics
> > > >> > > > > that
> > > >> > > > > > we are forced to buy to remain ASC's.
> > > >> > > > > > Also, it's pretty easy to tell who is a pro,
> > > >> > > > > and
> > > >> > > > > > who isn't.
> > > >> > > > > > Also, I received tons of help from the
> > > >> > > > > established
> > > >> > > > > > techs when I started out 33 years ago.
> > > >> > > > > > Helping out the newcomers is a way to pay back.
> > > >> > > > > > Saw a great movie the other day called "Pay it
> > > >> > > > > > Forward."
> > > >> > > > > > Might have a message here.
> > > >> > > > > > Respectfully
> > > >> > > > > > Walter
> > > >> > > > > > --- Gary McCartney <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> What about the 400 list members who wouldn't
> > > >> > > > > pay
> > > >> > > > > >> for the subscription.
> > > >> > > > > >> How would they be filtered out of the benefits
> > > >> > > > > of
> > > >> > > > > >> receiving help from
> > > >> > > > > >> other members who do pay for the schematics?
> > > >> > > > > It
> > > >> > > > > >> would be too hard for
> > > >> > > > > >> each of us to keep track of who is eligable to
> > > >> > > > > >> receive schematic
> > > >> > > > > >> assistance and who wouldn't be. The other
> > > >> > > > > thing
> > > >> > > > > >> that could be done is
> > > >> > > > > >> make Tech Assist a pay service of $100.00 per
> > > >> > > > > >> year and the schematic
> > > >> > > > > >> service would be automatically included in
> > > >> > > > > that
> > > >> > > > > >> price.
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> Gary McCartney
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> McCartney Electronics
> > > >> > > > > >> 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > >> > > > > >> Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > >> > > > > >> Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > >> > > > > >> email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> Bill S wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> Two thoughts; ??
> > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> With treasure chest schematics and with tips
> > > >> > > > > >> like Winstip, CD tech disc and
> > > >> > > > > >>> other things being available for us, I would
> > > >> > > > > >> assume that $840.00 cost per
> > > >> > > > > >>> year for subscription is kinda a waste....
> > > >> > > > > BUT
> > > >> > > > > >> as near as I can tell, there
> > > >> > > > > >>> are libraries that will listen to the public
> > > >> > > > > >> about those things that the
> > > >> > > > > >>> good ole public would like to have in their
> > > >> > > > > >> library. In Minnesota, if the
> > > >> > > > > >>> local branch did not have the right sams,
> > > >> > > > > then
> > > >> > > > > >> you could order out of the
> > > >> > > > > >>> main branch (Minneapolis) and it would be
> > > >> > > > > sent
> > > >> > > > > >> to you "photo copied" at no
> > > >> > > > > >>> cost.
> > > >> > > > > >>> But a new thought??????????
> > > >> > > > > >>> There is in the music industry a 'flat user'
> > > >> > > > > >> fee for music that is used in
> > > >> > > > > >>> the church. So if a choir or a church used a
> > > >> > > > > >> 'copyrighted' song, then the
> > > >> > > > > >>> royalties were paid a one time fee to a
> > > >> > > > > >> clearing house that specializes in
> > > >> > > > > >>> just that type of thing. There is a license
> > > >> > > > > >> number that is assigned to that
> > > >> > > > > >>> church organization for the use of that
> > > >> > > > > >> material.
> > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> Nowww what would happen if "we the techs"
> > > >> > > > > were
> > > >> > > > > >> to subscribe to Techassist
> > > >> > > > > >>> schematic clearing house (kinda like what we
> > > >> > > > > do
> > > >> > > > > >> in support for internet fee
> > > >> > > > > >>> that is paid to Techassist). If I needed a
> > > >> > > > > CTC
> > > >> > > > > >> 177 print and I had paid a
> > > >> > > > > >>> yearly fee of $100.00 (as an example) and the
> > > >> > > > > >> print was either faxed or
> > > >> > > > > >>> emailed and the clearing house would pay a
> > > >> > > > > >> royalty fee to RCA and so on.
> > > >> > > > > >>> This would offer us an advantage at being
> > > >> > > > > more
> > > >> > > > > >> legitimate legally speaking,
> > > >> > > > > >>> Answers the critics of copyrights, Offer us
> > > >> > > > > >> better more timely resources,
> > > >> > > > > >>> and helps support each other in a way that
> > > >> > > > > may
> > > >> > > > > >> allow for us to answer
> > > >> > > > > >>> questions about problems rather than looking
> > > >> > > > > up
> > > >> > > > > >> prints and such. We could
> > > >> > > > > >>> even contribute to the library as it were.
> > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> Granted there would be a lot of work. I read
> > > >> > > > > >> that the list is up to 800
> > > >> > > > > >>> plus members and say for example if 400
> > > >> > > > > people
> > > >> > > > > >> paid the $100.00 yearly fee,
> > > >> > > > > >>> that would be $40,000 per year to run this
> > > >> > > > > >> thing.
> > > >> > > > > >>> My two bits...
> > > >> > > > > >>> Bill Sorensen
> > > >> > > > > >>> New Life Video & Audio
> > > >> > > > > >>> billans@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > > >>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > > > >>> From: "Tel-Tek Electronics"
> > > >> > > > > >> <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > > > >>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:23 PM
> > > >> > > > > >>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sams photofact
> > > >> > > > > cost?
> > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>> With all you guys unsubbing, no wonder the
> > > >> > > > > >> price keeps going up. But
> > > >> > > > > >>> that's
> > > >> > > > > >>>> pretty high for a monthly charge.
> > > >> > > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>> -Ed-
> > > >> > > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>> Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > >> > > > > >>>> Midland, Ont. Canada.
> > > >> > > > > >>>> teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>> "Quality will be remembered, long after
> > > >> > > > > Price
> > > >> > > > > >> is forgotten"
> > > >> > > > > >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > > > >>>> From: "al" <al@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > > > >>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:29 PM
> > > >> > > > > >>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sams photofact
> > > >> > > > > >> cost?
> > > >> > > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> I unsubbed,it will take years for me to
> > > >> > > > > >> notice.For $70. per monthg I can
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> order whatever I need,price was too high.
> > > >> > > > > >> Comments? al
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> Al Leatherman
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> Mine Hill, NJ 07803
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> 973-361-5796
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> WWW.ALS-TV.NET
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> From: "Dan Garris" <dgarris@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:18 PM
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Sams photofact cost?
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> I am a long-time Sams Photofacts
> > > >> > > > > >> subscriber and presently paying $70
> > > >> > > > > >>> per
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> month for sub. UPS is $3.84. SO my
> > > >> > > > > >> Monthly total for my Sams sub is
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> $73.84
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> How much are other shops here in the
> > > >> > > > > >> group paying? Many local shops
> > > >> > > > > >>> I've
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> spoken to have long canceled their sub.
> > > >> > > > > >> Prices keep rising also on the
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> Sams
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> sub. But I like the sub rather than the
> > > >> > > > > >> online method. Any comments
> > > >> > > > > >>> from
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> other shops on the group here?
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> Dan Garris
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> Garris TV
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> 3104 Neuse Blvd.
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> New Bern, NC. 28560-4116
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> 252-638-4477 voice
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> 252-635-2772 fax
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>> Mailto:dgarris@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
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> > > >> > > > > >> --
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> Gary McCartney
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> McCartney Electronics
> > > >> > > > > >> 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > >> > > > > >> Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > >> > > > > >> Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > >> > > > > >> email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > > >> ------------------------------------------
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> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > =====
> > > >> > > > > > Walter Wood
> > > >> > > > > > Future Tech Home Center
> > > >> > > > > > 2786 Hwy. 43 N.
> > > >> > > > > > Lawrenceburg Tn. 38464
> > > >> > > > > > 931-829-3337
> > > >> > > > > > Fax 931-829-4044
> > > >> > > > > > mailto:wwood_38478@xxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > __________________________________________________
> > > >> > > > > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > >> > > > > > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience
> > > >> > > > > > http://launch.yahoo.com
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> > > >> > > > =====
> > > >> > > > Walter Wood
> > > >> > > > Future Tech Home Center
> > > >> > > > 2786 Hwy. 43 N.
> > > >> > > > Lawrenceburg Tn. 38464
> > > >> > > > 931-829-3337
> > > >> > > > Fax 931-829-4044
> > > >> > > > mailto:wwood_38478@xxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > __________________________________________________
> > > >> > > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > >> > > > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience
> > > >> > > > http://launch.yahoo.com
> > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------
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> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --
> > > >> > > Doug Keller "Don't be afraid to go after what you
> > > >> > > Wis-Kel Electronics want to do and what you want to be,
> but
> > > >> > > 101 Freeland Ave. don't be afraid to be willing to pay
> > > >> > > Terra Alta, WV the price"
> > > >> > > USA 26764
> > > >> > > 1-304-789-3165
> > > >> > > dek@xxxxxxxxxx
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> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Gary McCartney
> > > >> >
> > > >> > McCartney Electronics
> > > >> > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > >> > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > >> > Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > >> > email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > >--
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Gary McCartney
> > > >
> > > >McCartney Electronics
> > > >7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > >Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > >Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > >email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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