I agree. I know tech that have been doing this longer then me and still don't get that right. I too have the same pet peeve. Drives me NUTS! Another one is when people say "I think its got a short in it!" *snicker* Good luck, God Bless Bill McFarland DMC Electronics Salt Lake City, Utah ----- Original Message ----- From: <gulftech@xxxxxxxx> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Vertical or horizontal line > > Amen! > > That is a pet peeve of mine. One of the techs who used to work for me > called vertical collapse a "vertical line." It would infuriate me. But, > like you said, we can't see the symptom in a post. We can only go by the > information given. > > Some may be offended by Jack's post as too simple and too obvious. Not > at all. Too much confusion is involved in this. > > > Ken Smith > Gulf Technical Services > 3034 Gulf Breeze Parkway > Gulf Breeze, FL 32561 > 850-934-8324 (Voice) 850-932-0819 (Fax) > > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:18:02 -0800 Dennis Viereck <wa6ati@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > writes: > > Geez! > > I'm glad someone said something. I have to bite my fingers each > > time I read a post for a tech who tries to describe the symptom by > > the name of the circuit. I do tech support over the phone everyday > > and a day does not go by when I get a tech that confuses these > > terms. > > Figure this one out, you guys that don't know the difference! We, > > on the other side of the fence cannot see the > > symptom................. > > > > Dennis Viereck > > > > > > Jack wrote: > > > > > Vertical is up and down > > > Horizontal is left to right > > > > > > A horizontal line = no vertical sweep > > > A vertical line = no horizontal sweep > > > > > > This is confusing to even the most experienced techs > > > it seems... > > > > > > Jack > > > > > > --- Premium Technologies <premtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > wrote: > > > > Dan, > > > > I have merely a thin vertical line about 1/4 (1/3) > > > > of the way down from the top of the screen. I've > > > > previously replace u4501 and changed-out r4511 on > > > > your recent tip. No change... > > > > I'll try resoldering the ground next, in the tuner. > > > > I think my voltage is a bit high on pins 4 and 5 of > > > > rn4501 (20v), but I don't believe that of itself > > > > should collapse the vertical. > > > > Thanks for the help... > > > > Bill > > > > Premium Technologies > > > > Ocean Park, Washington > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Webster TV > > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:58 AM > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE - 31GT657FM1, Chassis > > > > CTC177CC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > Don't fully understand your problem. Do you have > > > > vert. deflection and just > > > > have a line across screen or don't you have vert. > > > > deflection and the vert. > > > > line is 1/4 of the way down screen instead of > > > > across middle? Here's one tip > > > > on a CTC177 for a vert. line but line is 1/3 of > > > > the way up screen. Defective > > > > U4501 and bad resister R4511(1ohm-2w)off of pin 2 > > > > of U4501. Also a > > > > defective eprom caused by bad tuner grounds can > > > > cause all kinds of problems, > > > > including vert. problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dan Webster > > > > > > > > Webster's TV > > > > > > > > Shullsburg, Wi > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Premium Technologies > > > > <premtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 3:09 PM > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] GE - 31GT657FM1, Chassis > > > > CTC177CC > > > > > > > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > > > > charset="Windows-1252" > > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > > > > BlankGentlemen, > > > > > I'm having an elusive vertical problem with the > > > > above described which is = > > > > > producing a horizontal line 1/4 of the way down > > > > from the top of the = > > > > > screen. No schematic on this one, but from past > > > > experience it seems my = > > > > > in voltage might be low on the vertical > > > > deflector U4501. > > > > > I've replaced U4501, and about 8 of caps in > > > > that circuit, (C-4502, = > > > > > 4108, 4107, 4506, 4505, 4705, 4112, 4404) with > > > > no change in symptoms. = > > > > > My voltage readings on pin 1 and 2 of U4501 are > > > > 13.4 and 24.7 = > > > > > respectively, and 23.0 on 5-Vout. > > > > > I've traced circuit for open shorts with no > > > > luck, and quickly running = > > > > > out of patience. 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