[TechAssist] Re: Update#2! RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans "kick" once, otherwise dead]

  • From: "al m" <ampm@xxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 11:05:58 -0400

VOTE for JIM!!!!!!
Al Marquardt
ampm@xxxxxxx
Al Marquardt Electronic Repair
206 W Main
Girardville Pa. 17935
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 10:53 AM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update#2! RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans
"kick" once, otherwise dead]


> I think we need some new import laws since almost everything is
> manufactured off shore now. One nice little idea may be to force the
> exporting country to take back at their expense, including shipping,
> refund, free replacement of, etc,  any cheap junk item that fails within
> five years and no parts, service manuals, training, etc is available to
> get it repaired. We would be reloading every boat at our docks with
> returns that they unload!
>
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***************************************
> Since 1972
> Jim Myers
> Telrad Electronics
> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>
> Tel-Tek wrote:
> > You know...that's an indication of the Government sleeping with the Big
> > Business Importer /Exporters.
> >     At least I have to give the Canadian Federal Government credit for
> > taking care of this.
> >
> > In Canada...if it's Electronic....and you want to sell it on the
Canadian
> > Market, be prepared to warrant that item for 1 Year (12 Months) Repair
or
> > Replace. Doesn't matter if it's a cheap Phone ($19.95)...1 year.
> >     Doesn't matter if you bought it in
> > Ontario...Alberta...Newfoundland...you give the customer 1 year, or
don't
> > sell it. I get a kick out of the special insert they have to add to
their
> > warranty just to make marketable in Canada.
> >
> > US Warranties stink, vary from State to State, some 90 days, some less.
If
> > we are going to import this cheap Chinese junk, better to have a strong
> > Federal Law to protect the consumer, because if your government does not
> > have your welfare at heart, who the hell are they serving.
> >
> > I don't know if our law of having parts available for a product for at
least
> > 7 years still applies, since most of this stuff never reaches 3 years,
but I
> > would assume if challenged, they better be able to supply parts for 7
years.
> >
> > This is Crap. Time to put these Chinese to task.;-)
> >
> > -Ed-
> > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > Ontario-Canada
> >
> > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 11:53 AM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update#2! RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans
> > "kick" once, otherwise dead]
> >
> >
> >
> >>May be venting, but very true just the same.
> >>
> >>Doug Keller
> >>Wis-Kel Electronics
> >>101 Freeland Ave.
> >>Terra Alta, WV
> >>USA        26764
> >>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>http://www.tech-assist.org
> >>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you
> >>won't live long enough to make them all yourself"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Phil Bader wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Thanks for the feedback, always appreciated from this forum.
> >>>, but what the h*ll with "NLA" on a yoke in a  three thousand dollar
> >>>unit 36 months out of the plant? Customer hasn't had it 36 months!
Geez,
> >>>this is the TOP end  of RCA,s CRT  based HDTV. What the heck does RCA
> >>>think? I got a email confirmation on my web order and although it
showed
> >>>one in stock, now says zero stokk, one "BO".
> >>>I dunno. This govt is ALLOWING these thugs to get away with this. All
> >>>nice and legal.
> >>>Venting...
> >>>Phil Bader
> >>>
> >>>Wayne Vanaman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The "square tape" is the SVM coil. 240796.  I have moved many of these
> >
> > coils
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>from tube to tube.  Just examine carefully its position on the neck.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>RCA tech assist once told me, on a warranty job, to cut and splice the
> >
> > yoke
> >
> >>>>wires instead of changing all three yokes.
> >>>>
> >>>>Wayne Vanaman
> >>>>Omega Electronics
> >>>>6904 W Fairfield Dr
> >>>>Pensacola, Fl.  32506-3310
> >>>>
> >>>>Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>WWW.PensacolaTVRepair.Com
> >>>>
> >>>>850-456-5995 voice
> >>>>850-458-6369 fax
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>From: "Phil Bader" <tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:41 AM
> >>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Update#2! RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans
> >
> > "kick"
> >
> >>>>once, otherwise dead]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>An ongoing saga...
> >>>>>The unit did power on with the blue CRT ioslated from the set.
> >>>>>Customer approved the estimate., I ordered the parts. INstalled the
> >
> > CRT.
> >
> >>>>>Upon removing the blue yoke, I saw the insides were cut to ribbons by
> >>>>>the broken glass of the  neck.Funny this still allowed the set to
power
> >>>>>on with this yoke plugged in, but maybe it was damaged  "open"
instead
> >>>>>of shorted. Anyway, the yoke is a  248399, Tritronics shows it NLA (a
> >>>>>three year old 61in. HDTV), but another distrib. showed one left.
> >>>>>Supposedly it comes as three yokes attached together. (daisey
chained).
> >>>>>I assume I may be able to buy the three and install the one,as the
> >
> > other
> >
> >>>>>two tubes operate OK.
> >>>>>Also, there is an interesting clear square tape with a copper coil
> >>>>>printrd in it that must be peeled off the old CRT neck and placed on
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>>>new, and a wire soldered to it.
> >>>>>What a pia.
> >>>>>Ordered the yoke on line this morning. Any input appreciated.
> >>>>>Phil Bader
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Phil Bader wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>After removing anode from bad blue CRT and unplugging CRT neck
board,
> >>>>>>the set powered up with a good picture except of course no blue.
> >>>>>>Verified no other damage.
> >>>>>>I  am still thinking the CRT neck board on the bad tube may have
taken
> >>>>>>damage, but not many parts on that assy, and seems easy enough to
fix
> >
> > if
> >
> >>>>>>needed.
> >>>>>>Awaiting customer's return call.
> >>>>>>My fix will be a blue CRT assembly (comes without yoke), the two
> >
> > diodes
> >
> >>>>>>and two 4700mfd caps said to be a problem on the DMA power supply
> >
> > board,
> >
> >>>>>>as recommended in thread below.
> >>>>>>(plus the convergence-from-hell, probably)
> >>>>>>Will advise.
> >>>>>>Phil Bader
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>tvservice wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>You can do just what you said
> >>>>>>>look for coolant leak at broken tube
> >>>>>>>possible cause of break
> >>>>>>>Robert
> >>>>>>>tvservice@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>H & H Electronics Inc
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>>>From: "Phil Bader" <tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:44 AM
> >>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] update. RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans
> >
> > "kick"
> >
> >>>>>>>once, otherwise dead]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>-------- Original Message --------
> >>>>>>>>Subject: RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans "kick" once,
otherwise
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>dead
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:06:13 -0400
> >>>>>>>>From: Phil Bader <tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I checked the DMA Power supply board and the two 4700mfd caps
.Caps
> >>>>>>>>tested OK. I noticed as I powered it on, looking inside in the
back,
> >
> > as
> >
> >>>>>>>>it would do the cycling, I saw an arc from up under the CRT area
> >
> > each
> >
> >>>>>>>>cycle.
> >>>>>>>>opened the front panel where I could see the bottoms of the CRT
> >
> > necks
> >
> >>>>>>>>and CRT boards.
> >>>>>>>>The CRT on my right had the neck hanging!
> >>>>>>>>I can see a black arc line around it at the bell where it appears
to
> >>>>>>>>have arced until it burnt through the glass neck!. CRT is toast.
> >
> > Don't
> >
> >>>>>>>>know what else.
> >>>>>>>>Question:
> >>>>>>>>Can I isolate this bad blue CRT by unplugging it's anode from the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>block,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>and unplug the CRT board, so I can power the set and see if the
> >
> > other
> >
> >>>>>>>>two CRTs are OK, and I have HV,etc? What's the safest way?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Will keep posted.
> >>>>>>>>PS: another tech  advised on the DMA power supply (upright one
above
> >>>>>>>>sweep) to just change caps C14113,C14115 (use# 250729), and diodes
> >>>>>>>>CR19710 and 13 with #234048. High failure rates, tho not my
problem
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>here.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>Phil Bader
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Philip Bader
> >>>>>>>>Jan Phyl TV Inc. (estab. 1976)
> >>>>>>>>3420 Recker Hwy. Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Phil Bader wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>A newer chassis.
> >>>>>>>>>RCA  61 inch  HDTV. model P61310, chassis DTV307GA.
> >>>>>>>>>No picture, no sound.
> >>>>>>>>>I notice there is an "access card" in a slot in the rear, I
assume
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>>>>>>>built in satelite tuner assy.
> >>>>>>>>>Customer is an office equipement tech, and says it has two 24
volt
> >>>>>>>>>fans that seem to "kick" once, but do not start up. The set is
> >>>>>>>>>otherwise dead.
> >>>>>>>>>When I plugged in the cord, I heard the "chirp" of what I assume
is
> >>>>>>>>>the power supply.
> >>>>>>>>>Pushed power button: Green light comes on and stays green
> >
> > constantly.
> >
> >>>>>>>>>No other response, other than a strange sound coming from the
lower
> >>>>>>>>>right side of the set (facing the set's screen), best described
as
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>>>>>>>half-second "Gurgle" recurring steadily every one second.
> >>>>>>>>>Could use ANYTHING on this: pdf's, bullitens, histories, common
> >>>>>>>>>hi-failures, anything!
> >>>>>>>>>Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>Phil Bader.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>-- 
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Philip Bader
> >>>>>>>>Jan Phyl TV Inc. (estab. 1976)
> >>>>>>>>3420 Recker Hwy. Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
> >>>>>>>>Fax (863) 299-8821
> >>>>>>>>email: tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>
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> >>>>>-- 
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Philip Bader
> >>>>>Jan Phyl TV Inc. (estab. 1976)
> >>>>>3420 Recker Hwy. Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
> >>>>>Fax (863) 299-8821
> >>>>>email: tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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