[TechAssist] Re: Update#2! RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans "kick" once, otherwise dead]

  • From: "Tel-Tek" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 09:29:46 -0400

You're right Russ....Look at the Honda, No trace of beer cans left there.
Not during Manufacturing...anyway.;-)

-Ed-
Tel-Tek Electronics
Ontario-Canada

teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Bader" <tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 8:56 AM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update#2! RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans
"kick" once, otherwise dead]


> There used to be a law enforced by the FTC that dictated these mfgrs
> needed to carry parts for 7 years min. After that, at their descretion.
> Free enterprise, yes. but  that same govt is there to right wrongs.
> Same can be said for equal opertunity employment issues. A lady with
> superior talents or the good ol boy applies for a position. Tough?
> no, govt steps in and dictates "play fair".
> Even a prize fight has boundaries.
> Philip Bader
>
> Hoyt's TV wrote:
>
> >How is this the government's fault?
> >In a free enterprise system, the government's supposed to stay out of
it.
> >The customer has done this to himself.
> >
> >I remember when the cheap Jap/junk TVs showed up here. My customers used
to
> >tell me they would never buy one of those pieces of junk. The next time
they
> >went to buy a new TV, the drugstore on the corner with the cheap Jap TV
got
> >the sale and the dealer with the more expensive American brand went out
of
> >business. Ditto for the Jap cars made out of "beer can tin".
> >
> >Both those items were truly cheap junk when introduced to the American
> >market. The money they made selling the cheap junk enabled them to
improve
> >the product to be more than competitive with American manufacturers.
> >
> >The American consumer speaks with forked tongue. Mouth says; won't buy
cheap
> >junk. Action says otherwise.
> >
> >Russ Hoyt
> >Hoyt's TV
> >Exeter, NH
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Randy Evans" <tvsvc2000@xxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 12:05 PM
> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Update#2! RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans
> >"kick" once, otherwise dead]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>"This govt is ALLOWING these thugs to get away with this."
> >>
> >>Government ???  A  more appropriate synonym:  "tyrants".
> >>
> >>Randy Evans
> >>VCR SERVICE
> >>Delta, Ohio 43515
> >>Phil Bader <tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>Thanks for the feedback, always appreciated from this forum.
> >>, but what the h*ll with "NLA" on a yoke in a three thousand dollar
> >>unit 36 months out of the plant? Customer hasn't had it 36 months! Geez,
> >>this is the TOP end of RCA,s CRT based HDTV. What the heck does RCA
> >>think? I got a email confirmation on my web order and although it showed
> >>one in stock, now says zero stokk, one "BO".
> >>I dunno. This govt is ALLOWING these thugs to get away with this. All
> >>nice and legal.
> >>Venting...
> >>Phil Bader
> >>
> >>Wayne Vanaman wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>The "square tape" is the SVM coil. 240796. I have moved many of these
> >>>
> >>>
> >coils
> >
> >
> >>>from tube to tube. Just examine carefully its position on the neck.
> >>
> >>
> >>>RCA tech assist once told me, on a warranty job, to cut and splice the
> >>>
> >>>
> >yoke
> >
> >
> >>>wires instead of changing all three yokes.
> >>>
> >>>Wayne Vanaman
> >>>Omega Electronics
> >>>6904 W Fairfield Dr
> >>>Pensacola, Fl. 32506-3310
> >>>
> >>>Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>WWW.PensacolaTVRepair.Com
> >>>
> >>>850-456-5995 voice
> >>>850-458-6369 fax
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>From: "Phil Bader"
> >>>To:
> >>>Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 8:41 AM
> >>>Subject: [TechAssist] Update#2! RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans
> >>>
> >>>
> >"kick"
> >
> >
> >>>once, otherwise dead]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>An ongoing saga...
> >>>>The unit did power on with the blue CRT ioslated from the set.
> >>>>Customer approved the estimate., I ordered the parts. INstalled the
CRT.
> >>>>Upon removing the blue yoke, I saw the insides were cut to ribbons by
> >>>>the broken glass of the neck.Funny this still allowed the set to power
> >>>>on with this yoke plugged in, but maybe it was damaged "open" instead
> >>>>of shorted. Anyway, the yoke is a 248399, Tritronics shows it NLA (a
> >>>>three year old 61in. HDTV), but another distrib. showed one left.
> >>>>Supposedly it comes as three yokes attached together. (daisey
chained).
> >>>>I assume I may be able to buy the three and install the one,as the
other
> >>>>two tubes operate OK.
> >>>>Also, there is an interesting clear square tape with a copper coil
> >>>>printrd in it that must be peeled off the old CRT neck and placed on
the
> >>>>new, and a wire soldered to it.
> >>>>What a pia.
> >>>>Ordered the yoke on line this morning. Any input appreciated.
> >>>>Phil Bader
> >>>>
> >>>>Phil Bader wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>After removing anode from bad blue CRT and unplugging CRT neck board,
> >>>>>the set powered up with a good picture except of course no blue.
> >>>>>Verified no other damage.
> >>>>>I am still thinking the CRT neck board on the bad tube may have taken
> >>>>>damage, but not many parts on that assy, and seems easy enough to fix
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >if
> >
> >
> >>>>>needed.
> >>>>>Awaiting customer's return call.
> >>>>>My fix will be a blue CRT assembly (comes without yoke), the two
diodes
> >>>>>and two 4700mfd caps said to be a problem on the DMA power supply
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >board,
> >
> >
> >>>>>as recommended in thread below.
> >>>>>(plus the convergence-from-hell, probably)
> >>>>>Will advise.
> >>>>>Phil Bader
> >>>>>
> >>>>>tvservice wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>You can do just what you said
> >>>>>>look for coolant leak at broken tube
> >>>>>>possible cause of break
> >>>>>>Robert
> >>>>>>tvservice@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>H & H Electronics Inc
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>>>>From: "Phil Bader"
> >>>>>>To:
> >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:44 AM
> >>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] update. RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >"kick"
> >
> >
> >>>>>>once, otherwise dead]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>-------- Original Message --------
> >>>>>>>Subject: RCA 61" hdtv P61310, DTV307GA, fans "kick" once, otherwise
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>dead
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:06:13 -0400
> >>>>>>>From: Phil Bader
> >>>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I checked the DMA Power supply board and the two 4700mfd caps .Caps
> >>>>>>>tested OK. I noticed as I powered it on, looking inside in the
back,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >as
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>it would do the cycling, I saw an arc from up under the CRT area
each
> >>>>>>>cycle.
> >>>>>>>opened the front panel where I could see the bottoms of the CRT
necks
> >>>>>>>and CRT boards.
> >>>>>>>The CRT on my right had the neck hanging!
> >>>>>>>I can see a black arc line around it at the bell where it appears
to
> >>>>>>>have arced until it burnt through the glass neck!. CRT is toast.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >Don't
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>know what else.
> >>>>>>>Question:
> >>>>>>>Can I isolate this bad blue CRT by unplugging it's anode from the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>block,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>and unplug the CRT board, so I can power the set and see if the
other
> >>>>>>>two CRTs are OK, and I have HV,etc? What's the safest way?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Will keep posted.
> >>>>>>>PS: another tech advised on the DMA power supply (upright one above
> >>>>>>>sweep) to just change caps C14113,C14115 (use# 250729), and diodes
> >>>>>>>CR19710 and 13 with #234048. High failure rates, tho not my problem
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>Phil Bader
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Philip Bader
> >>>>>>>Jan Phyl TV Inc. (estab. 1976)
> >>>>>>>3420 Recker Hwy. Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Phil Bader wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>A newer chassis.
> >>>>>>>>RCA 61 inch HDTV. model P61310, chassis DTV307GA.
> >>>>>>>>No picture, no sound.
> >>>>>>>>I notice there is an "access card" in a slot in the rear, I assume
a
> >>>>>>>>built in satelite tuner assy.
> >>>>>>>>Customer is an office equipement tech, and says it has two 24 volt
> >>>>>>>>fans that seem to "kick" once, but do not start up. The set is
> >>>>>>>>otherwise dead.
> >>>>>>>>When I plugged in the cord, I heard the "chirp" of what I assume
is
> >>>>>>>>the power supply.
> >>>>>>>>Pushed power button: Green light comes on and stays green
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >constantly.
> >
> >
> >>>>>>>>No other response, other than a strange sound coming from the
lower
> >>>>>>>>right side of the set (facing the set's screen), best described as
a
> >>>>>>>>half-second "Gurgle" recurring steadily every one second.
> >>>>>>>>Could use ANYTHING on this: pdf's, bullitens, histories, common
> >>>>>>>>hi-failures, anything!
> >>>>>>>>Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>Phil Bader.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>-- 
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Philip Bader
> >>>>>>>Jan Phyl TV Inc. (estab. 1976)
> >>>>>>>3420 Recker Hwy. Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
> >>>>>>>Fax (863) 299-8821
> >>>>>>>email: tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>Philip Bader
> >>>>Jan Phyl TV Inc. (estab. 1976)
> >>>>3420 Recker Hwy. Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
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> >>Jan Phyl TV Inc. (estab. 1976)
> >>3420 Recker Hwy. Winter Haven, Fl. 33880
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