[TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.

From: "Tel-Tek" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:58:56 -0400
OK..I'll email you privately.
Are there no Futureshop stores in BC?

-Ed-

Tel-Tek Electronics
Ontario-Canada
teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin" <kevintv@xxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:48 AM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.


> He used to own a TV sales/service shop and knows the quality of Hitachi
> sets.  He made the decision himself.
>
> I honestly believe that a 10-15 year set (once repaired) will outlast
> many of even the brand new good brands.  For example I repaired a 20
> year old Zenith 5 years ago for a customer and he just phoned me 4
> months ago for another repair.  It does not have the best picture, but
> the customer wanted it fixed.  Lately I have seen 5 year old JVC/Sears
> sets with bonded bad yokes that were thrown away because the cost of a
> new tube was worth more than a new set.
>
> I currently own 6 TV's.  The newest one is a 1995 JVC, a 1992 Panasonic
> GAOO, 2-1990 Mitsubishi's, a 1987 20" Hitachi, and a 1984 Hitachi.  The
> 1984 Hitachi is a model CT2000, and has not broken down once in 20 years
> and the picture looks as good as it did when it was new.  I trust the 20
> year Hitachi more than I do the 9 year old JVC.  I am rambling on here,
> but a 10 year old set is not old to me.  Caps and solder can be repaired
> but a bad picture tube cannot be repaired.
>
> I am now thinking of upgrading to get HDTV.  I am seriously thinking
> about buying a projector to get as big a picture as possible.  I will
> still keep my other sets because HDTV only broadcasts are a long ways
> off.  But I want the BIG PICTURE.
>
> By the way, where can you get a high quality 35" TV for $600 Canadian?
> The price for a 35" Sony or Panasonic is closer to $1500 I thought.  I
> am curious, what does ;-) mean?  I have seen many posts with that
> ending.  Thank you.
>
> Kevin Wilks
> Kevin's TV & Video Repair
> Penticton BC Canada
> kevintv@xxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tel-Tek
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 7:23 PM
> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
> GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
>
> Kevin;
> $600 will get you a brand new 35"set.
> Hopefully with a 1 year Warranty. Does he not get Future Shop Flyers?
> Also...your a Technician...what does "Only 10 Years Old"mean to you?
> Caps....Bad solder (Hitachi)...not a god decision to make for a
> "Friend".;-)
>
> -Ed-
> Tel-Tek Electronics
> Ontario-Canada
> teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kevin" <kevintv@xxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:38 PM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
> GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
>
>
> > A friend of mine has a 35" Hitachi that needs a new tube.  I phoned my
> > rebuilder and he was able to order a brand new original Hitachi tube
> for
> > $595 Canadian.  My friend can do it himself, so for him it was worth
> it.
> > He likes the set and it is only 10 years old.  By the way, the tube
> was
> > 70% below Hitachi's list price.  Someone else's loss is another one's
> > gain.
> >
> > Kevin Wilks
> > Kevin's TV & Video Repair
> > Penticton BC Canada
> > kevintv@xxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tel-Tek
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:29 PM
> > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
> > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> >
> > They do...Jeff.
> > But a dying breed. The last CRT rebuilder we have (Hi-Vac) is barely
> > holding
> > on.
> > Even Monitor and R/P are on the way out.
> > Just talked to Roy last week, at Hi-Vac...Direct View are a thing of
> the
> > past. And pricing of new TV's do not make it economical to change
> CRT's
> > anymore.
> >
> > -Ed-
> > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > Ontario-Canada
> > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Shoreline Electronics" <jstielau@xxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 9:17 PM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
> > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> >
> >
> > > This why I tell all my customers who mention " I want a Plasma set!
> > > ".......no you don't!  You'll be sorry in the end.
> > >
> > > CRT based sets rule!
> > >
> > > ==========================
> > > Jeff Stielau
> > > Shoreline Electronics Repair
> > > 344 East Main Street
> > > Clinton,CT 06413
> > > 860-399-1861
> > > 860-664-3535 (fax)
> > > jstielau@xxxxxxxx
> > > ========================
> > > "If you push something hard enough it will fall over."
> > > Fudd's First Law of Opposition - Sir Sidney Fudd
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:50 PM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
> > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Other manufacturers are doing about the same thing, lots of new
> > products
> > > > are exchange only, no parts available, no service manuals
> available
> > and
> > > > once the product is out of warranty the price to exchange it is
> more
> > > > than a new replacement unit. I'm sure there are laws against some
> of
> > > > this, unfair trade practices, price fixing, etc. but I'm too far
> > over
> > > > the hill to really give a damn. Maybe some organization like NESDA
> > > > should be looking into it. Maybe they are, does anyone know?
> > > >
> > >
> >
> ************************************************************************
> > ****
> > > ***************************************
> > > > Since 1972
> > > > Jim Myers
> > > > Telrad Electronics
> > > > Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ed Gaidies wrote:
> > > > > Whole new Rip-Off.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ed-
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > > > Ontario-Canada
> > > > >
> > > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:08 PM
> > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway
> > Plasma
> > > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Is that all? Only a grand? I figured it would be more when they
> > wanted
> > > > >>$300 just to reload windows. (you need their "secret code" to
> > unlock
> > the
> > > > >>cmos and it must be so classified that they can't tell you over
> > the
> > > > >>phone, by email, or snail-mail)
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Doug Keller
> > > > >>Wis-Kel Electronics
> > > > >>101 Freeland Ave.
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> > > > >>USA        26764
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> > > > >>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > > >>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you
> > > > >>won't live long enough to make them all yourself"
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Jim Myers wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>Gateway refuses to sell parts even with pressure from the
> > customer.
> > > > >>>Return set to customer, Gateway will send someone to fix it for
> a
> > cool
> > > > >>>$1000.00.
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >>**********************************************************************
> > ****
> > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > ****************************************
> > > > >
> > > > >>>Since 1972
> > > > >>>Jim Myers
> > > > >>>Telrad Electronics
> > > > >>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Jim Myers wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>The voltage goes to zero with the sensor removed. There is no
> > pullup
> > > > >>>>resistor so I'm pretty sure the IC is the problem. I'll try
> > Zenith
> > > next
> > > > >>>>week, maybe the have a similar model.
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >>>*********************************************************************
> > ****
> > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > *****************************************
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>Since 1972
> > > > >>>>Jim Myers
> > > > >>>>Telrad Electronics
> > > > >>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>greentron@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>Do you measure a low resistance to ground on the sensor
> output
> > lead?
> > > > >>>>>Does the voltage on that lead go up to 5 (or maybe 3) volts
> > with
> > the
> > > > >>>>>sensor removed? Is there a pull-up resistor?
> > > > >>>>>J Silverman
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>Tried a different IR sensor, no help, still just three
> tenths
> > of a
> > > > >>>>>>volt on the output pin and ity-bitty pulses from the remote.
> I
> > > traced
> > > > >>>>>>the IR path to IC U4 which is an 80 pin surface mount square
> > > > >>>>>>flatpack, goes to pin 80. Number on U4 is 6413079F18 and it
> is
> > on
> > > the
> > > > >>>>>>board with 2 15 pin VGA, 1 9 pin serial and a flat panel
> > monitor
> > > > >>>>>>connector. Any information on where to get the ic or the
> > board?
> > > > >>>>>>Thanks,
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >>>>>*******************************************************************
> > ****
> > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > ********
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>>>***********************************
> > > > >>>>>>Since 1972
> > > > >>>>>>Jim Myers
> > > > >>>>>>Telrad Electronics
> > > > >>>>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>Scott Beebe wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Hello Jim,
> > > > >>>>>>>If you take out the IR sensor, then that would rule out the
> > > > >>>>>>>receiver. But it
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>sounds like a micro problem to me.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Thanx,
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Scott Beebe
> > > > >>>>>>>Ohm Electronics Inc.
> > > > >>>>>>>609 W. Clinton St.
> > > > >>>>>>>Ithaca NY 14850
> > > > >>>>>>>Voice: (607) 273-8406
> > > > >>>>>>>Fax: (607) 273-8743
> > > > >>>>>>>WWW.OhmElectronicsInc.com
> > > > >>>>>>>mailto:Scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Wednesday, March 31, 2004, 3:57:48 PM, you wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Are technical questions still allowed?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> This Gateway GTW-P42M102 has a sticker on the inside
> > that
> > says
> > > > >>>>>>>it is a
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> LG model PDP42WVSN3. The owner says a worker at the
> > office
> > > > >>>>>>>caused a
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> static spark when she reached for the buttons on the
> > front,
> > > now
> > > > >>>>>>>it has
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> the menu displayed over the picture all the time with
> > the
> > > > >>>>>>>cursor bar
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> scrolling up over and over. Also the remote no longer
> > works.
> > > > >>>>>>>The wire
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> from the remote receiver at the connector has three
> > tenths
> > of
> > > a
> > > > >>>>>>>volt and
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> very low amplitude pulses when the remote is
> activated.
> > The
> > > end
> > > > >>>>>>>wire on
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> this 6 pin connector has 5 volts. Sounds like the
> micro
> > or
> > the
> > > > >
> > > > > IR
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> receiver got zapped but if anyone has service manual
> or
> > > > >>>>>>>information on
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> this a little help would be nice.
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >>>>>*******************************************************************
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> > > > >>>>>>
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> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Since 1972
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Jim Myers
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Telrad Electronics
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > >
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