[TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.

From: "Tel-Tek" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:54:41 -0400
As I said..I'm not and never have been a member of Nesda. I can't knock them
from experience. But my guess is that Nesda is created by large companies...
Thomson...Zenith (LG)..Sony...etc. Nesda was created as a Union,  you pay
your fee to belong. I don't know what the fees are, but by belonging..you
get some Industry input..but still need to pay your dues to individual
Companies for being an ASC..if not by dues...by inflated prices on Service
Literature and other hidden charges.
I believe these days are almost over....since most have retreated to Asian
Countries.
I can only speak from the Canadian Version of NESDA...here we call it CEASA.

If your email goes back far enough (3 Years) I made a comment about this.
Not worth repeating.
Final comment....Fend for yourself. Belonging to these groups does nothing.

I have no experience with NESDA..good or bad...just going by my experience
with CEASA,

-Ed-
Tel-Tek Electronics
Ontario-Canada
teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <greentron@xxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Tel-Tek" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:31 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.


> I dont think there is anything left BUT small independent servicers! The
big guys, not supported by some other big guy, like Sears, and having
captive customers, have pretty much all gone belly up. Just as you cant
squeeze blood out of a stone, you cant squeeze enough money out of repairing
consumer electronics to support an organization. I am not aware of ANY big
service organizations being a member of Nesda. With a total less than a
thousand members, it would be like the tail trying to wag the dog.
> J Silverman
>
>
> > That's why I said Nesda?
> > I shouldn't knock them...but I don't think they have the Small
Independent
> > Servicer on their mind. I don't belong..so I will keep my mouth
(keyboard)
> > shut.
> >
> > -Ed-
> > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > Ontario-Canada
> > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "becyn" <becyn@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:02 PM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
> > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> >
> >
> > > NESDA look into something? ??????
> > > NESDA is more "over the hill" than you are! LOL
> > >
> > > Jim McVey
> > > McVey Alltronix
> > > 327 Broadway
> > > Newburgh Ny 12550
> > > ph: 845 561 8383
> > > fx: 845 561 9017
> > > Consumer electronics &
> > > computer service.
> > > Factory authorized for
> > > over twenty brands.
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Jim Myers" <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:50 PM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway Plasma
> > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Other manufacturers are doing about the same thing, lots of new
products
> > > > are exchange only, no parts available, no service manuals available
and
> > > > once the product is out of warranty the price to exchange it is more
> > > > than a new replacement unit. I'm sure there are laws against some of
> > > > this, unfair trade practices, price fixing, etc. but I'm too far
over
> > > > the hill to really give a damn. Maybe some organization like NESDA
> > > > should be looking into it. Maybe they are, does anyone know?
> > > >
> > >
> >
****************************************************************************
> > > ***************************************
> > > > Since 1972
> > > > Jim Myers
> > > > Telrad Electronics
> > > > Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ed Gaidies wrote:
> > > > > Whole new Rip-Off.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ed-
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > > > > Ontario-Canada
> > > > >
> > > > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 3:08 PM
> > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: UPDATE, Final solution! Re: Gateway
Plasma
> > > > > GTW-P42M102 zapped by static from a hot secretary.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>Is that all? Only a grand? I figured it would be more when they
wanted
> > > > >>$300 just to reload windows. (you need their "secret code" to
unlock
> > the
> > > > >>cmos and it must be so classified that they can't tell you over
the
> > > > >>phone, by email, or snail-mail)
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Doug Keller
> > > > >>Wis-Kel Electronics
> > > > >>101 Freeland Ave.
> > > > >>Terra Alta, WV
> > > > >>USA        26764
> > > > >>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >>http://www.tech-assist.org
> > > > >>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you
> > > > >>won't live long enough to make them all yourself"
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Jim Myers wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>Gateway refuses to sell parts even with pressure from the
customer.
> > > > >>>Return set to customer, Gateway will send someone to fix it for a
> > cool
> > > > >>>$1000.00.
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>>**************************************************************************
> > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > ****************************************
> > > > >
> > > > >>>Since 1972
> > > > >>>Jim Myers
> > > > >>>Telrad Electronics
> > > > >>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Jim Myers wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>The voltage goes to zero with the sensor removed. There is no
pullup
> > > > >>>>resistor so I'm pretty sure the IC is the problem. I'll try
Zenith
> > > next
> > > > >>>>week, maybe the have a similar model.
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>>>*************************************************************************
> > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > *****************************************
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>Since 1972
> > > > >>>>Jim Myers
> > > > >>>>Telrad Electronics
> > > > >>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>greentron@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>Do you measure a low resistance to ground on the sensor output
> > lead?
> > > > >>>>>Does the voltage on that lead go up to 5 (or maybe 3) volts
with
> > the
> > > > >>>>>sensor removed? Is there a pull-up resistor?
> > > > >>>>>J Silverman
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>Tried a different IR sensor, no help, still just three tenths
of a
> > > > >>>>>>volt on the output pin and ity-bitty pulses from the remote. I
> > > traced
> > > > >>>>>>the IR path to IC U4 which is an 80 pin surface mount square
> > > > >>>>>>flatpack, goes to pin 80. Number on U4 is 6413079F18 and it is
on
> > > the
> > > > >>>>>>board with 2 15 pin VGA, 1 9 pin serial and a flat panel
monitor
> > > > >>>>>>connector. Any information on where to get the ic or the
board?
> > > > >>>>>>Thanks,
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>>>>>***********************************************************************
> > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > ********
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>>>***********************************
> > > > >>>>>>Since 1972
> > > > >>>>>>Jim Myers
> > > > >>>>>>Telrad Electronics
> > > > >>>>>>Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>Scott Beebe wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Hello Jim,
> > > > >>>>>>>If you take out the IR sensor, then that would rule out the
> > > > >>>>>>>receiver. But it
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>sounds like a micro problem to me.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Thanx,
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Scott Beebe
> > > > >>>>>>>Ohm Electronics Inc.
> > > > >>>>>>>609 W. Clinton St.
> > > > >>>>>>>Ithaca NY 14850
> > > > >>>>>>>Voice: (607) 273-8406
> > > > >>>>>>>Fax: (607) 273-8743
> > > > >>>>>>>WWW.OhmElectronicsInc.com
> > > > >>>>>>>mailto:Scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Wednesday, March 31, 2004, 3:57:48 PM, you wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Are technical questions still allowed?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> This Gateway GTW-P42M102 has a sticker on the inside
that
> > says
> > > > >>>>>>>it is a
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> LG model PDP42WVSN3. The owner says a worker at the
office
> > > > >>>>>>>caused a
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> static spark when she reached for the buttons on the
front,
> > > now
> > > > >>>>>>>it has
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> the menu displayed over the picture all the time with
the
> > > > >>>>>>>cursor bar
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> scrolling up over and over. Also the remote no longer
works.
> > > > >>>>>>>The wire
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> from the remote receiver at the connector has three
tenths
> > of
> > > a
> > > > >>>>>>>volt and
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> very low amplitude pulses when the remote is activated.
The
> > > end
> > > > >>>>>>>wire on
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> this 6 pin connector has 5 volts. Sounds like the micro
or
> > the
> > > > >
> > > > > IR
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> receiver got zapped but if anyone has service manual or
> > > > >>>>>>>information on
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> this a little help would be nice.
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>>>>>***********************************************************************
> > > *
> > > > >
> > > > > ********
> > > > >
> > > > >>>>>>***********************************
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Since 1972
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Jim Myers
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Telrad Electronics
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>Jim>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > >
> > >
> >
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