Hey, as long as the customer is happy (happy enough to shell out!). Doug Keller Wis-Kel Electronics 101 Freeland Ave. Terra Alta, WV USA 26764 dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.tech-assist.org "Learn from the mistakes of others, because you won't live long enough to make them all yourself" Al L wrote: >I just did that on an old Sony XBR,got good bucks, and because it was old >gave it an extra wrap.Beautiful pix,and it was dead shorted. al > >Al Leatherman >Al's TV >224 Rt. 46 >Mine Hill, NJ. 07803 >973-361-5796 >WWW.ALS-TV.NET >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Doug Keller" <dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:54 AM >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC > > > > >>I never had any callbacks after using the filament wire-wrap trick. >> >>Doug Keller >>Wis-Kel Electronics >>101 Freeland Ave. >>Terra Alta, WV >>USA 26764 >>dek@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>http://www.tech-assist.org >>"Learn from the mistakes of others, because you >>won't live long enough to make them all yourself" >> >> >> >>walter wood wrote: >> >> >> >>>Not sure, but that's what some other tech's called >>>it. >>>Probably because it couldn't be detected with most >>>crt testers. >>>I think it was mostly a problem with the coating >>>coming off of some of the elements in the gun, and >>>shorting intermittently between them. >>>Some techs have spoken of placing the crt on it's >>>face and tapping on it while rejuvinating. >>>I personally never saw much point, as I figured >>>more coating would just fall off later. >>>What's your take on the subject? >>>Walter >>>--- Kevin <kevintv@xxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Why do you call it the "soft short"? >>>> >>>>Kevin Wilks >>>>Kevin's TV & Video Repair >>>>Penticton BC Canada >>>>kevintv@xxxxxxx >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >>>>Behalf Of walter wood >>>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 9:49 PM >>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC >>>> >>>>Seems to me that Goldstar was the CRT supplier >>>>when >>>>Zenith was having such a bad time of it with the >>>>"soft short" taking out all the main boards, and >>>>the sets being "Not worth fixing". >>>>That was pretty much all the '90's. >>>>I never could figure out why Zenith didn't find >>>>another CRT supplier. >>>>I guess that was a way to tear zenith down so >>>>Goldstar could buy them. >>>>Walter >>>>--- Tel-Tek Electronics <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>When they became LG Electronics. >>>>> >>>>>-Ed- >>>>> >>>>>Ed Gaidies >>>>>Tel-Tek Electronics >>>>>Ontario-Canada >>>>> >>>>>teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >>>>>Behalf Of Kevin >>>>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 7:49 PM >>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC >>>>> >>>>>When did Korea (Goldstar) take over control of >>>>>Zenith? >>>>> >>>>>Kevin Wilks >>>>>Kevin's TV & Video Repair >>>>>Penticton BC Canada >>>>>kevintv@xxxxxxx >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >>>>>Behalf Of >>>>>repair1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 4:10 PM >>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC >>>>> >>>>>Actually rca and ge tvs as we knew them have >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>not >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>existed since about >>>>>1989, >>>>>the story goes like this, ge bought rca, which >>>>>owned nbc, banquet foods, >>>>>burlington mills, hertz rent a car, hazeltine >>>>>research, sarnoff labs, >>>>>and >>>>>randomhouse publishing, and last but not least >>>>>their consumer >>>>>electronics >>>>>company, this was at the time the largest non >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>oil >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>buyout ever,ge started >>>>>selling what it did not want(everything except >>>>>nbc), and then made an >>>>>offer >>>>>to thomson of france, to swap their combined >>>>>consumer electronics >>>>>company >>>>>for thomson's medical equipment division, seems >>>>>as though ge really >>>>>started >>>>>thomson, then the french nationalized it, now >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>it >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>appears that the french >>>>>have decided to take advantage of the "so >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>called >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>global economy" and buy >>>>>into the chinese producers so they can sell >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>fine >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>products along with >>>>>funai >>>>>and apex etc, pretty sad >>>>> >>>>>charles betzler >>>>>Best Electronics >>>>>repair1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 5:36 PM >>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>It's all over now,....but the cryin ! >>>>>>We can't get by without RCA/GE sets,...and we >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>don't want China to be >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>involved to anymore degree then they allready >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>are in our Industry. >>>>>When >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Korea took over control of Zenith by >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Goldstar,...that's when Zenith >>>>>went >>>>>to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>the dogs,...and now we will see that happen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>with RCA (Radio >>>>>Corporation of >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>America),..what a laugh. >>>>>> >>>>>>LLW >>>>>> >>>>>>LeRoy Westlund >>>>>>Westlund TV & Electronics I've >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>heard it said: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>93 North Main >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>"that >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>a fool never learns" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 It kinda >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>reminds >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>me of me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >>>>>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: walter wood <wwood_38478@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>><techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Date: Monday, December 15, 2003 2:17 PM >>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>But the Chinese have control, and it is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>expected >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>that they will have full ownership in 6 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>months >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>or >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>so. >>>>>>>One of Thomson's tech support guys told me >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>that he >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>was going to work at Home Depot, and is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>expecting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>everyone to be laid off in that department. >>>>>>>He said that people were dissappearing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>around >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>there >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>every day. >>>>>>>Oh well, rca couldn't get much worse than >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>the >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>ATC311. >>>>>>>Walter >>>>>>>--- "Phillip R. Hull" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>><phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Its 2/3 s Owned by a Co. in China. That >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>is >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>what was said at a RCA meeting >>>>>>>>a couple of weeks ago. >>>>>>>>Phillip R Hull STET >>>>>>>>phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>FAX 517--569-3075 >>>>>>>>Professional Technicians only >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>From: "Tel-Tek Electronics" >>>>>>>><teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 3:05 PM >>>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Thomson TEC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Some conglomerate from France...me >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>thinks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>-Ed- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Ed Gaidies >>>>>>>>>Tel-Tek Electronics >>>>>>>>>Ontario-Canada >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>On >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>Behalf Of Keith Trumbla >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 1:52 PM >>>>>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Thomson TEC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Who owns Thomson now ? >>>>>>>>>Keith Trumbla >>>>>>>>>BEM Electronics Inc. >>>>>>>>>Suite 212-530 Century St. >>>>>>>>>WPG. 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