[TechAssist] Re: Sony projo G2 adjust
- From: Kevin <kevintv@xxxxxxx>
- To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:29:34 -0800
Can you do that with the 40 or so pots on a convergence board (of a
projection TV) that the customer tried to adjust himself? How did they
do it at the factory for these older sets?
Kevin Wilks
Kevin's TV & Video Repair
Penticton BC Canada
kevintv@xxxxxxx
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From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of becyn
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 1:20 PM
To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sony projo G2 adjust
Whenever something is hopelessly screwed up, you set all the 'pots" to
the 12 'oclock position, and start the adustment process from there.
I thought everyone did that...
Jim McVey
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Kevin wrote:
>What is the 12 o'clock rule?
>
>Kevin Wilks
>Kevin's TV & Video Repair
>Penticton BC Canada
>kevintv@xxxxxxx
>
>
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>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of becyn
>Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 8:18 AM
>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sony projo G2 adjust
>
>when all else fails....use the 12 'oclock rule and work your way out
>fron there!
>
>Jim McVey
>McVey Alltronix
>327 Broadway
>Newburgh N.Y. 12550
>
>"If it doesn't play...
>CALL MCVEY !!!!!!"
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>damon101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
>
>
>>No.....that's IK Screen setup.....the foundation of Crt White Balance.
>>
>>You gotta do a lot more for white balance.....and I ain't got the time
>>
>>
>to
>
>
>>tell you.
>>
>>Damon Brunger
>>Telrad Electronics
>>Fort Wayne IN
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "peggs" <peggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:56 PM
>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sony projo G2 adjust
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>>Do you mean..
>>>turn up the Red til visible, then down to black(barely not visible)
>>>turn up the Green till visible,then down to black(barely not visible)
>>>turn up the Blue til visible,then down to black(barely not visible)
>>>The you have 'decent' Grey Scale ???
>>>Peggs
>>>
>>>At 05:19 AM 1/27/05, damon101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Out in the field I just switch to an unused video input, turn up the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>screens
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>>
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>>>>and down to black.....works 99% of the time.
>>>>If I'm feeling "tweaky" I'll then measure the cathode voltage and
see
>>>>
>>>>
>if
>
>
>>>>it's within 5 volts of each other. If it's outside of 20V dc
>>>>
>>>>
>variation,
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>then
>>
>>
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>>>>the oddball one is your bad tube. Feeling "super tweaky"?? Pull out
>>>>
>>>>
>your
>
>
>>>>scope and measure the IK pulses for the oddball one......normally I
>>>>
>>>>
>use
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>that
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>with intermittant color shifting reported by the customer.
>>>>
>>>>Damon Brunger
>>>>Telrad Electronics
>>>>Fort Wayne IN
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Leonard Caillouet" <lcaillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:56 AM
>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sony projo G2 adjust
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Good question. What I have found is when I have a tracking
problem,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>it is
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>usually mostly in one tube. I like to start with the G2 dead on as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>a
>
>
>>>>>reference and sometimes the bad tube needs to be tweaked of a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>I
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>find
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>>
>>
>>
>>>>>it helps to have the other two tracking as close as possible as a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>start.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>Reduce the variables, then fudge it if you have to. The jig seems
>>>>>
>>>>>
>to
>
>
>>>>>minimize the interactions with the other adjustment, btw, though on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>a
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>set
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>with poor tracking you still have to fudge at least one tube. I
try
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>leave the one that tests best as a reference and don't touch the G2
>>>>>
>>>>>
>on
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>one again.
>>>>>
>>>>>I also like to set the G2 by looking in the CRTs. I find it easier
>>>>>
>>>>>
>to
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>be
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>sure of the level and it is not always possible to make the room
>>>>>
>>>>>
>dark.
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Sony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>makes this a PITA because the screens are hard to remove much of
the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>time,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>so I can't always do so unless we have pulled the chassis to the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>shop,
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>then
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>it is easy, but final tweaking has to be done on the screen.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, always remember to tweak the gray scale looking at the set
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>straight
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>on, not from one side or the other. While the sets in recent years
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>have
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>become much better about it, there is still a gray scale shift from
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>side
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>side due to the angles of the tubes. I prefer the stairstep
>>>>>
>>>>>
>patterns
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>with
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>the horizontal bars. Since I have an older Sencore unit that has
>>>>>
>>>>>
>the
>
>
>>>>>vertical bars, and don't have a portable, I use the DVE disc in the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>field
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>or
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>tweak on a b&w pix. The latter is my preference if the tubes are
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>tracking
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>normally, but you need a stairstep to see which tube is non linear
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>with
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>others and at what levels.
>>>>>
>>>>>Leonard Caillouet
>>>>>Electronics World
>>>>>1261 NW 76 Blvd
>>>>>Gainesville, FL 32606
>>>>>352-332-5608
>>>>>FAX 352-332-5668
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Bob Derrick" <bderrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:23 PM
>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sony projo G2 adjust
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I have only used the course and make the room as dark as I can or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>throw a
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>quilt over the set and me. Leonard in the case where "there is a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>gray
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>scale
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>tracking problem" did the jig dramatically improve the tracking, or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>to
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>point that you were satisfied with the result?
>>>>>
>>>>>Robert Derrick
>>>>>Leader tv and Video
>>>>>Rochester, NY
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Leonard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>Caillouet
>
>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:00 PM
>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Sony projo G2 adjust
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I have done both the coarse and the fine adjustments and found that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>voltages are pretty close with the coarse adjustment, so I don't
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>bother
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>with
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the fine adjustment and the jig unless there is a gray scale
>>>>>
>>>>>
>tracking
>
>
>>>>>problem. If you need the jig I can send you the .pdf.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>From Sony:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>3-1. SCREEN VOLTAGE ADJUSTMENT
>>>>>(COARSE ADJUSTMENT)
>>>>>1. Receive the Monoscope signal.
>>>>>2. Set 50% BRIGHTNESS and minimum PICTURE.
>>>>>3. Turn the red VR on the FOCUS block all the way to the left
>>>>>and then gradually turn it to the right until the point where you
>>>>>can see the retrace line.
>>>>>4. Next gradually turn it to the left to the position where the
>>>>>retrace line disappears.
>>>>>
>>>>>3-2. SCREEN (G2) ADJUSTMENT
>>>>>(FINE ADJUSTMENT)
>>>>>Fine Mode is recommended to set screen controls to their optimal
>>>>>condition. It is necessary to build the simple jig, illustrated
>>>>>
>>>>>
>below,
>
>
>>>>>using 3-watt resistors. Please note, that if the proper voltage is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>not
>
>
>>>>>obtained with their listed values, resistors, then please increase
>>>>>
>>>>>
>or
>
>
>>>>>decrease one of the values in the resistor network to obtain the
>>>>>correct voltage.
>>>>>1. Select VIDEO1 mode without signals.
>>>>>2. Connect G2 JIG.
>>>>>3. SW on JIG.
>>>>>4. Connect an oscilloscope to the TP701(KR), TP732(KG) and
>>>>>TP761(KB) of CR board, CG board and CB board.
>>>>>5. Adjust R, G and B screen voltage to 170-173V with screen
>>>>>VR on the Focus block.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Leonard G. Caillouet
>>>>>Electronics World
>>>>>1261 NW 76 Blvd
>>>>>Gainesville, FL 32606
>>>>>352-332-5608
>>>>>352-332-5668 FAX
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Tony S" <tcselectronics@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 10:41 AM
>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Sony projo G2 adjust
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi guys,
>>>>>Just wondering if anyone has a simple method to precise adjustment
>>>>>
>>>>>
>for
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>G2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>adjust on SONY big screens with out hauling out the scope and
making
>>>>>
>>>>>
>a
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>test
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>jig.
>>>>>
>>>>>many thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Tony Saracco
>>>>>TCS ELECTRONICS
>>>>>406 Andra Ct.
>>>>>Gilberts, IL 60136
>>>>>tcselectronics@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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