[TechAssist] Re: RCA-CTC169AM,chass-f31221wn-32''

  • From: Gary McCartney <gary@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 16:32:18 -0400

Don, C4401= RCA # 206009
     C4406= RCA # 143242 (but in my RCA projection service manual parts
list, this cap is rated 470pF 1.5kV, not 2kV)




Gary McCartney

McCartney Electronics
7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
Fax: (519)821-1530
email: gary (at) number63.ca







hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> 
> Gary,Think I may have found my problem.C4401=.0162ufd@xxxxxxxxxx  I replaced
> with a disc .016ufd@1500v my HV dropped to 33.5 KV & no shut down.This is
> not a good replacement but I just wanted to try it for testing purposes.I'm
> also going to replace C4406=470pfd@2kv & hope I got a fix.Do you have RCA
> #'s for these 2 caps...TIA...regards...
> Don of HARTS-TVCR-ASC
> 9 Robert St,Oromocto,NB,Canada,E2V3N2
> Tel-506-357-9785,Fax-506-357-6010
> hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary McCartney" <gary@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 12:55 AM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: RCA-CTC169AM,chass-f31221wn-32''
> 
> > Don, if you have shorted yoke windings, wouldn't it be visible on the
> > HOT colletor waveform as a blip or something? Have you measured the
> > resistance across the hor. yoke winding? Maybe there is a burnt spot in
> > the winding which has carbonized causing a high impedance and therefore
> > not loading down the hor. output to proper level?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Gary McCartney
> >
> > McCartney Electronics
> > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > Fax: (519)821-1530
> > email: gary (at) number63.ca
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > >
> > > Larry,that still doesn't make sense;pin16 is vcc for the ic??..Anyway,
> to
> > > all who helped on this repair tks a bunch & I found the problem.SMD
> r4150=22
> > > ohm was the culpret.I had checked this little guy & it measured 23.4
> ohms
> > > but looked heat stressed so I replaced it with a regular 22 ohm 1/2 watt
> &
> > > you guessed it ;the power supply came to life,BUT, I'm back to square
> 1.My
> > > hi volts is 40kv & of course shuts down.When I bench tested this
> chass,my hi
> > > volts was 30kv using my test yoke.So with the chass in the set I rehook
> my
> > > test yoke to it & it's 30kv & no shut down.I'm assuming the bonded yoke
> on
> > > this set is bad,causing the hi volts to go so high[40kv].It shuold be
> 31.5
> > > for this 32'' unit.Has anyone seen this happen where a bad yoke will
> cause
> > > the hi voltage to increase.I'm guessing shorted windings in the horz
> > > yoke.Just want to verify my findings on this set before I give the bad
> news
> > > to my customer.Tks again to all who gave me alot of good info &
> assistance.
> > > Don of HARTS-TVCR-ASC
> > > 9 Robert St,Oromocto,NB,Canada,E2V3N2
> > > Tel-506-357-9785,Fax-506-357-6010
> > > hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Larry E." <videotech@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 6:57 PM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: RCA-CTC169AM,chass-f31221wn-32''
> > >
> > > > Don, it`s a typo, he meant pin 16, Larry E
> > > >
> > > > hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Tks for the guide Al;
> > > > > p5 of u4101 is ground.Is this a typo error??
> > > > > Don of HARTS-TVCR-ASC
> > > > > 9 Robert St,Oromocto,NB,Canada,E2V3N2
> > > > > Tel-506-357-9785,Fax-506-357-6010
> > > > > hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Al Gutz" <alg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 12:42 AM
> > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: RCA-CTC169AM,chass-f31221wn-32''
> > > > >
> > > > > > Don
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Re RCA trouble shooting guide
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1 check volts at u4101 p5  if > 2.5v IC is in overcurrent shutdown
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2 Check volts at 4101 p16  if > 15V IC is in overvoltage shutdown
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3 if p16 is between 10.5 to 15 v IC should operate
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4 p3 should be < .6V if between .6 to .9 regulator will cycle on &
> off
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 5  check output of 4101 on P14  clock on P10 & 11
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 6 To check IC remove AC and connect external PS to P16 scope above
> > > > > > points,
> > > > > >   raise voltage to 10.5 volts and IC should begin to operate, do
> not
> > > > > > exceed 15V, as volts is changed the duty cycle scoped at P14
> should
> > > > > > change
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Al G
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Larry,Can't see how hooking up the HOT is going to help in t/s
> this
> > > > > power
> > > > > > > supply.Tks for offering to send the training manual but will
> fight
> > > this
> > > > > set
> > > > > > > on the week-end & see if I can find something I missed or over
> > > > > looked.BTY in
> > > > > > > a previous email I said nte 177,that should have read NTE
> 577.Tks
> > > again
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > your assistance....
> > > > > > > Don of HARTS-TVCR-ASC
> > > > > > > 9 Robert St,Oromocto,NB,Canada,E2V3N2
> > > > > > > Tel-506-357-9785,Fax-506-357-6010
> > > > > > > hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Larry E." <videotech@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 5:47 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: RCA-CTC169AM,chass-f31221wn-32''
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Don, connecting the collector of the HOT shouldn`t hurt
> anything
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > standby
> > > > > > > > mode, Horizontal circuit is not active in standby mode, there
> is
> > > no
> > > > > drive
> > > > > > > signal
> > > > > > > > at the base of the HOT during standby, just B+ to the HOT
> > > collector
> > > > > and B+
> > > > > > > > to the horizontal driver transistors collector (from the 15v
> line)
> > > > > That B+
> > > > > > > should
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > be checked in standby if you haven`t already confirmed it,
> I`ve
> > > seen
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > driver
> > > > > > > > transformer T4301 have bad solder connections and I`ve had a
> > > couple
> > > > > where
> > > > > > > > pin 5 was open or R314 was open killing the B+ to the driver
> > > > > transistor,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > shouldn`t cause the voltage to go up and down on pin 16 of
> U4101.
> > > Have
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > tried pulling one end of the secondary diodes one at a time?
> > > (CR4118,
> > > > > > > etc.) I
> > > > > > > > can mail you the tech training manual and the troubleshooting
> > > guide if
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > me to, don`t know how much they`d help but it probably
> wouldn`t
> > > hurt .
> > > > > > > > Larry E
> > > > > > > > hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Larry,yes C4118 was replaced & I tryed both a 177 & 580,but
> read
> > > > > that a
> > > > > > > 177
> > > > > > > > > is a better sub??Really don't want to connect C of HOT until
> I
> > > get
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > p/s
> > > > > > > > > working properly.The Q4601 cct i will dive into again & see
> if I
> > > > > missed
> > > > > > > > > something...........
> > > > > > > > > Don of HARTS-TVCR-ASC
> > > > > > > > > 9 Robert St,Oromocto,NB,Canada,E2V3N2
> > > > > > > > > Tel-506-357-9785,Fax-506-357-6010
> > > > > > > > > hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Larry E." <videotech@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:49 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: RCA-CTC169AM,chass-f31221wn-32''
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Don, if the original C4104 was 15uf @ 50v I would replace
> it
> > > with
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > value
> > > > > > > > > > Pin 3 is correct so that`s not the problem. You mentioned
> in
> > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > post that you replaced CR4118 with a NTE177, that`s not a
> good
> > > > > > > > > > substitute, has to be an ECG/NTE 580, the C voltage on
> Q4601
> > > > > > > > > > appears to be a problem, it should be a steady 13.1 volts
> in
> > > > > standby
> > > > > > > > > > did you check replace C4118 off pin 16 of U4101 yet? What
> > > > > > > > > > happens to the voltages in the switchmode if you connect
> the
> > > > > collector
> > > > > > > > > > of the HOT but don`t turn the set on? Larry
> > > > > > > > > > Larry Eastman
> > > > > > > > > > American TV & Electronics
> > > > > > > > > > Crystal River, Fl. 34428
> > > > > > > > > > 352-795-0124
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tks for your reply,Larry.Here are the values of the
> orginal
> > > caps
> > > > > > > removed
> > > > > > > > > > > from the smps;
> > > > > > > > > > > C4102=2.2ufd/100v
> > > > > > > > > > > C4104=15ufd/50v
> > > > > > > > > > > C4108=47ufd/50v
> > > > > > > > > > > The voltage at Q4101 is varying from 159vdc to 164vdc.
> > > > > > > > > > > The voltage on the collector pad of the HOT Q4401 is
> varying
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > 13vdc
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > 40vdc;NOTE this is without the collector of HOT
> connected to
> > > pad
> > > > > &
> > > > > > > yes
> > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > > using the correct grounds.
> > > > > > > > > > > Pin 3 of U4101 is varying from 0vdc to .013vdc.
> > > > > > > > > > > I know there are hot & cold grounds for these
> > > measurements.The
> > > > > HOT
> > > > > > > > > collector
> > > > > > > > > > > voltage is low because the chopper is not in it's proper
> > > duty
> > > > > > > cycle.This
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > the same voltage measured at the cathode of CR4116,the
> > > 145vdc
> > > > > > > source.
> > > > > > > > > > > I did replace C4104 with a 4.7/100v cap,as per your
> email
> > > but
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > > > voltage readings.What I don't understand is the orginal
> cap
> > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > 15ufd/50v.Man this is wierd?? Tks again for your
> > > > > help...regards...
> > > > > > > > > > > Don of HARTS-TVCR-ASC
> > > > > > > > > > > 9 Robert St,Oromocto,NB,Canada,E2V3N2
> > > > > > > > > > > Tel-506-357-9785,Fax-506-357-6010
> > > > > > > > > > > hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: "Larry E." <videotech@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 8:56 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re:
> RCA-CTC169AM,chass-f31221wn-32''
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Don, you need to be carefull changing parts in a
> 169
> > > > > chassis
> > > > > > > with a
> > > > > > > > > pa=
> > > > > > > > > > > > rts list from a 27" proscan, there are 4 different
> > > families of
> > > > > 169
> > > > > > > > > chassi=
> > > > > > > > > > > > s`s and some of the parts
> > > > > > > > > > > > are very different, for example C4108 in your set
> (family
> > > 1)
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > supposed =
> > > > > > > > > > > > to be a
> > > > > > > > > > > > 47uf @ 50 volts but in a family 4 169 it`s a 39uf @
> 100v,
> > > BIG
> > > > > > > > > difference=
> > > > > > > > > > > > =2E
> > > > > > > > > > > > The usual cause of pin 16 on U4101 fluctuating up and
> down
> > > is
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > 3
> > > > > > > > > caps =
> > > > > > > > > > > > you changed, or U4101 is bad check the values,
> C4102=3D
> > > 2.2 @
> > > > > 100v
> > > > > > > > > C410=
> > > > > > > > > > > > 4=3D 4.7 @ 100v(not 47uf)  C4108=3D 47uf @ 50v. If
> those
> > > are
> > > > > good
> > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > th=
> > > > > > > > > > > > e set is either in ovp or ocp You should have the
> > > following in
> > > > > > > standby
> > > > > > > > > (s=
> > > > > > > > > > > > et plugged in but not turned on), Raw B+ on C of Q4101
> =3D
> > > > > approx.
> > > > > > > 165
> > > > > > > > > vo=
> > > > > > > > > > > > lts, Regulated B+ on C of HOT=3D approx.144 volts, 5v
> > > standby
> > > > > on E
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > Q46=
> > > > > > > > > > > > 01. If the above are correct, check voltage on pin 3
> of
> > > U4101,
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > shouldn=
> > > > > > > > > > > > `t be above .6v (point 6 volts) if it is the
> > > > > > > > > > > > set is going into ocp shutdown. Let me know the
> results of
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > measurem=
> > > > > > > > > > > > ents,
> > > > > > > > > > > > I don`t have a scanner but I do have the schematics
> and
> > > 169
> > > > > > > > > troubleshooti=
> > > > > > > > > > > > ng guide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Remember that a lot of the capacitor values are
> different
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > various=
> > > > > > > > > > > >  169 models
> > > > > > > > > > > > so be careful to replace what you pull out with the
> same
> > > > > value,
> > > > > > > Larry
> > > > > > > > > E
> > > > > > > > > > > > Larry Eastman
> > > > > > > > > > > > American TV & Electronics
> > > > > > > > > > > > Crystal River, Fl. 34428
> > > > > > > > > > > > 352-795-0124
> > > > > > > > > > > > pulling out
> > > > > > > > > > > > hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This direct view 32'' unit has me baffeled.Orginally
> > > came in
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > the H=
> > > > > > > > > > > > OT shorted.Replaced with an OEM 2SD1885.Everything
> else
> > > was ok
> > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > fired i=
> > > > > > > > > > > > t up.The HV was 38.5KV,too hi,so took the chass out to
> > > bench
> > > > > > > > > test.Turned =
> > > > > > > > > > > > it on without a yoke plugged in & I think that's when
> my
> > > > > problems
> > > > > > > > > started=
> > > > > > > > > > > > =2EQ4802 smoked in the pin cct.Replaced it & plugged a
> > > yoke to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > set.No=
> > > > > > > > > > > > w my smps won't start.Pin 16 reads 8.5vdc then slowly
> goes
> > > up
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > 10.5vdc =
> > > > > > > > > > > > & then starts going back down to 8.5v.So changed all
> the
> > > > > normal
> > > > > > > parts
> > > > > > > > > for=
> > > > > > > > > > > >  this smps,ie,the U4101,C4102,4,8,Q4101.Did not
> > > help.Replaced
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > infamou=
> > > > > > > > > > > > s CR4118.Checked or replaced both LM311 in the vert &
> pin
> > > > > cct;also
> > > > > > > > > C4403,=
> > > > > > > > > > > > CR4401,CR4402.Again no go.Checked or replaced all
> trans in
> > > the
> > > > > PWM
> > > > > > > > > cct,Q4=
> > > > > > > > > > > > 405,6,7,8,9.Same results;the regulator is trying to
> start
> > > but
> > > > > > > keeps
> > > > > > > > > going=
> > > > > > > > > > > >  up/down from 8.5v to 10.5v.Raw B+ is solid at
> 165vdc,no
> > > > > > > ripple.All
> > > > > > > > > these=
> > > > > > > > > > > >  tests were done with HOT collector lifted.I have
> checked
> > > all
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > tips
> > > > > > > > > for=
> > > > > > > > > > > >  this unit,& I know there's a ton of them but
> > > > > > > > > > > > >   can't find the problem.I have changed so many
> parts
> > > too
> > > > > > > numereous
> > > > > > > > > to =
> > > > > > > > > > > > mention,ie caps,diodes,transistors but I'm stumped.Any
> > > > > assistance
> > > > > > > > > would b=
> > > > > > > > > > > > e greatly appreciated or if someone would be so kind
> to
> > > email
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > pdf
> > > > > > > > > for t=
> > > > > > > > > > > > his brute.The only print I have is a profax for the
> 27''
> > > > > set.BTY i
> > > > > > > > > also c=
> > > > > > > > > > > > hecked all transistors in the Q4300 & Q4700
> > > > > > > > > series.........TIA...........=
> > > > > > > > > > > > =2E
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Don of HARTS-TVCR-ASC
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9 Robert St,Oromocto,NB,Canada,E2V3N2
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tel-506-357-9785,Fax-506-357-6010
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hartstv@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
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> > > > > > > > Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
> > > > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> > > > > > > > Lost Password:
> > > > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Lost your Login
> Info?".
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> > > > > > > The Tech Address Book:
> > > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm
> > > > > > > Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
> > > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> > > > > > > Lost Password:
> > > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Lost your Login Info?".
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> > > > > > http://sell.tech-assist.org
> > > > > > The Tech Address Book:
> > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm
> > > > > > Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
> > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> > > > > > Lost Password:
> > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Lost your Login Info?".
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> > > > > Classifieds! Buy or Sell!
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> > > > > The Tech Address Book:
> > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm
> > > > > Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
> > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> > > > > Lost Password:
> > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Lost your Login Info?".
> > > > > Email Archives:
> > > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> ****************************************************************************
> > > *
> > > > Classifieds! Buy or Sell!
> > > > http://sell.tech-assist.org
> > > > The Tech Address Book:
> > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm
> > > > Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
> > > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> > > > Lost Password:
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> ****************************************************************************
> *
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> > > http://sell.tech-assist.org
> > > The Tech Address Book:
> > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm
> > > Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
> > > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> > > Lost Password:
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> > The Tech Address Book:
> > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm
> > Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
> > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> > Lost Password:
> > http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Lost your Login Info?".
> > Email Archives:
> > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/
> >
> 
> *****************************************************************************
> Classifieds! Buy or Sell!
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> The Tech Address Book:
> http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/contact.htm
> Add a Repair Tip Here, or Change/Remove your Email Address:
> http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.htm
> Lost Password:
> http://www.tech-assist.org  and select "Lost your Login Info?".
> Email Archives:
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