[TechAssist] Re: RCA TV F20601SE CTC175A won't regulate 140V B+

  • From: Wayne Vanaman <Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 17:44:26 -0500

Monitor the collector voltages of q4153 and q4154.  The voltages should 
increase and decrease inversely as the B+ goes up or down.  If not 
suspect a bad q4153/4.  If it does look at q4150.

R4169 passes the 12v run supply to the collector of q4153

q4153 215495- smd, high failure
q4151 146851
q4150 217309

The jungle outputs a regulator voltage.  The path into the micro is the 
141v supply by way of R4157 and r4163, in series, with r4171 and r4158 
in parallel to ground at the r4163/r4157 junction.  You also have 39k 
r4127 between U1001p29 and p30.

Wayne Vanaman
Omega Electronics
6904 W Fairfield Dr
Pensacola, Fl.  32506-3310

Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Gary McCartney wrote:
> RCA TV F20601SE CTC175A won't regulate 140V B+
> 
> This set came in dead, with F4150 open clean (not black looking) and 12V 
> regulator outputting 6.2V only. Replaced these and eeprom plus power 
> tact switch. Now set will fire up when run on variac at 95V AC.
> 
> I can't figure out why the power supply won't regulate at 140V. It will 
> go higher than 140V if I crank up the variac toward 120V ac..
> 
> Have done the following:
> 
> -Replaced regulator output Q4150 with TIP122
> 
> -replaced Q4151 with MPSA42 (NTE287 exact)
> 
> -replaced C4150 10uF 200V & C4155 2.2uF 200V
> 
> -replaced Q4153 surface mount #215495 with MPSA06 surface mount
> 
> -Measured R4175, R4155, R4150, R4153, R4154, R4152, R4169, all OK.
> 
> -Measured:
> 
> -12V reg out-ok, 4.8V on eeprom pins 6, 8 -ok,
> 
> -U1001 pin 30= 3.7V -ok
> 
> -U1001 pin 29  should be 3.7V -measures 5.2V but as viac is raised, the 
> 5.2V comes down close to 3.7V it should be
> 
> -Q4153 B= 0.688 V, E=0V, C= 0.044V. C on SAMS schematic show it should 
> be 0.7 but I can't see why if the base is high, why C should read much 
> more than zero. My measurement agrees with me, not the schematic. Wonder 
> if mis-print or my mis understanding? Replaced this transistor with same 
> results.
> 
> -Q4151 This transistor is not conducting because output of Q4153 is low.
> B= .044V, E= 0V, C= 138V or whatever I have variac set at.
> 
> - Q4150 reg out: depends where I have variac set but tracks the voltages 
> proportionally ok. No change since installing new part.
> 
> -Q4151 This transistor is not conducting because output of Q4153 is low.
> 
> Only other thing I can think of is to check the main B+ filter cap.
> 
> Any other help appeciated.
> 
> Gary
> 
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> 
> Gary McCartney
> 
> McCartney Electronics
> Guelph Ontario Canada
> Est. 1984
> email: gary (at) number63.ca
> 
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