Sorry, forgot to mention it in my previous post, here it is: 1A66111-01E 2 9131 TCE1991 David Lessard Mr_fixit@xxxxxxxxxxxx Alexandria, Ontario, Canada K0C-1A0 -----Original Message----- From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Old TV Man Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 4:45 PM To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TechAssist] Re: RCA 27" TV - CTC167CS - Dead After Storm David - Do you have a part # or a number off of the U3101? Max Bonnell Bonnell TV Robinson, IL Sender: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx From: mr_fixit@xxxxxxxxxxxx(David=A0Lessard) Date: Tue, Jun 28, 2005, 3:15pm (CDT+1) To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TechAssist] Re: RCA 27" TV - CTC167CS - Dead After Storm Reply=A0to: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Thanks for the service manual Eric. Once in hand it was easy to trace the problem to U3101 pin 42, Vcc to ground is shorted, no shorts anywhere else. Now to find one! Does anyone have a used one kicking around? I don't believe this chassis's micro is still available. Of course I won't know if anything else is a problem until I get the micro replaced. Thanks in advance, God bless you all, David Lessard Mr_fixit@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Alexandria, Ontario, Canada K0C-1A0 -----Original Message----- From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wayne Vanaman Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:48 PM To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TechAssist] Re: RCA 27" TV - CTC167CS - Dead After Storm David: I don't see the 12V going too many places, but of course the 5V is all over the place. On the 5V reg q4160e is a coil L3101, this splits the "two" 5V supplies and lifting one end might tell which path the current is following. The SAMS says q4161 has a 29mA current flow, for what that is worth, but they don't tell us about the 5V paths. Wayne Vanaman Omega Electronics 6904 W Fairfield Dr Pensacola, Fl. 32506-3310 Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx WWW.PensacolaTVRepair.Com 850-456-5995 voice 850-458-6369 fax David Lessard wrote: Thanks for the information Wayne. I just noticed that Q4161 gets quite hot after just a minute, so I have a short somewhere off this transistor, now just to find it. I'll let you know what I find. I may have a few more questions before this is all over. David Lessard Mr_fixit@xxxxxxxxxxxx Alexandria, Ontario, Canada K0C-1A0 -----Original Message----- From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wayne Vanaman Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:53 PM To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TechAssist] Re: RCA 27" TV - CTC167CS - Dead After Storm Hi David: The on/off command comes from the micro, U3101p18. U3101 pins: 18 on/off 31-32 crystal 33 reset low 40 data 41 clock 42 5v The reset pin, 33, is feed by the 12v supply true zener cr3101 with r3116 2400 ohms to ground. The 12 V supply is sourced by transformer T4601, diodes cr4601-4. Q4161c connects to cr4603/4 cathodes and is 22v. Q4161e is the 12V standby source, which also feeds q4160, the 5V standby reg. Q4160e being the 5v supply. It has been a long time since I have seen one of these, so this is from memory. Looking down at the component side of the board with the tuner on your left. Towards the left hand side look for a diode that in standby has voltage on the anode but not on the cathode, if so, change it. Wayne Vanaman Omega Electronics 6904 W Fairfield Dr Pensacola, Fl. 32506-3310 Wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx WWW.PensacolaTVRepair.Com 850-456-5995 voice 850-458-6369 fax David Lessard wrote: I stand corrected, I measure 11.7VDC at C605. Is this the proper voltage level? From there 11.7VDC goes over to Q161, off Q161-(E) voltage is 7.2VDC. From there the traces get too small for my weak eyes. Which pin at micro is Vcc? Which pin at micro is relay "ON"? David Lessard Mr_fixit@xxxxxxxxxxxx Alexandria, Ontario, Canada K0C-1A0 -----Original Message----- From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Lessard Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:39 PM To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TechAssist] RCA 27" TV - CTC167CS - Dead After Storm Gentlemen, I can not find my service manual for this older chassis, lent it out and it never came back. Does anyone have an e-copy they could send along? Standby PS is working, 16VDC is present at the bridge rectifier off secondary of standby transformer however relay doesn't activate when "ON" button is pressed. Where does secondary standby voltage go after this, regulator? I've only worked on (3) of these ever before, a troubleshooting guide and/or service manual would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, David Lessard Mr_fixit@xxxxxxxxxxxx Alexandria, Ontario, Canada K0C-1A0 ---------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- This Email List is Public. Remove: http://www.tech-assist.org/remove.htm Set Vacation mailto:ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=set%20techassist%20vacation Lost Password: http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". Email Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This Email List is Public. Remove: http://www.tech-assist.org/remove.htm Set Vacation mailto:ecartis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=set%20techassist%20vacation Lost Password: http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". Email Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/