[TechAssist] Re: Is it worth it?.... depends on the alternative
- From: "Video Clinic- Pana" <videoclinicpana@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 21:39:11 -0600
you are correct about the replacement cost , but if i can fix it and get
34.50 for less than an hours time, it is still worth it to me i dont get
carried away and have to scrap some for cost effectiveness but they become a
source for hard to get parts . sure not worth buying lit or parts and paying
shipping. many of my customers arent making high wages and if they can save
the other 30-40 dollars for replacement ,, they will eat again this week.
you on the other hand must be very fortunate to have some high wage
customers in your area. i wish it were true for all of us. this industry
is in real trouble and we'll all be out of a job if this continues this
slide into the landfill. maybe i'll quit and get a security job somewhere,.
i hear theres a few openings in that field.., lol
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rs Tek Inc" <rstek@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:58 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypad ribbon cable
>
> Are microwaves even worth the time to fix? Is dealing with all that old
> nasty crusty food worth it? I don't even take in vcr's anymore because of
> the replacemnet cost.
>
> just my 1/2 cents
> Frank
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phillip R. Hull" <phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:59 PM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypad ribbon
cable
>
>
> >
> > Techs.
> > Its not illegal to replace with subs unless the parts are shaded in the
> > service manual and parts list.
> >
> > Since probably only 50% of the posters have manuals they wouldn't even
> know
> > this. No one would ever know unless it started a fire.
> > I have had no luck using subs for a permanent repair. I have many
sets
> > come in here with SK and ECG subs and replacing with OEM's made a
> permanent
> > repair. I take personal pride to repair to factory specifications if
> > possible. Some of the things that were done in the list below would
cost
> > more in time and parts than tracking down the correct part. I hope
every
> > one working with microwave ovens have the correct leakage meter as per
> > federal regulations. I will use subs when a part is no longer
> available,
> > but I tell the customer it may not last.
> >
> > Phillip R Hull
> > phil245@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ken Dinckan" <kdinckan@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:55 AM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypad ribbon
> cable
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Gary
> > > I agree for all
> > > and this was a very good response for this fellow
> > >
> > > Ken Dinckan
> > > ALL Tv&Appliance Service
> > > 2747 Roosevelt Street # B
> > > Carlsbad CA, 92008
> > > tel: (760)434-1131
> > > fax: (760)434-8856
> > > email to : kdinckan@xxxxxxx
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gary McCartney" <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:31 AM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypad ribbon
> > cable
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, I'll tell ya. For all the "illegal" things I've done to
> electronic
> > > > equipment, I ought
> > > > to be in jail for about 1000 years. In this business if you have to
> > > > worry about every little
> > > > alteration that is made, you not gonna get any sleep and you'll lose
> out
> > > > on a number of jobs
> > > > because of expense to buy original parts. If what you are saying is
> > > > true, then I suggest that any time you replace a transistor with an
> ECG
> > > > sub, you are also breaking the law for not installing the original
> part.
> > > > The ECG might not have the same specs as the original and for
heavens
> > > > sakes could start a fire!!!!
> > > >
> > > > My theory is, that as long as you replace parts with same or better
> > > > specs, even if you have to make alterations, you'll be doing you and
> > > > your customer a favor. My customers are always very happy when I
tell
> > > > them that they have saved money or even saved there equipment from
the
> > > > scrap yard because of alterations I've made. Maybe where you are
from
> > > > there could be legal problems, but where I'm from, I've never heard
of
> > > > it.
> > > > Tell me how a jumper on a microwave keypad ribbon cable is gonna
cause
> a
> > > > safety problem. You might be thinking something like, "well, if the
> > > > connection comes loose and shorts out to another conductor causing
the
> > > > start button to be activated..." well, BS to that. My job would be
> neat
> > > > and that wouldn't have a chance of happening.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Some of the things I've done that you wouldn't approve of are:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -using a 9V motor in a cassette deck instead of a 12V, and
installing
> my
> > > > own 7809 voltage regulator to bring the B+ down to 9v to run the
motor
> > > >
> > > > -taking the top plate off a bad magnetron and installing it on a
> > > > replacement magnetron because the mounting tabs of the plate onf the
> > > > replacement were oriented the wrong way.
> > > >
> > > > -jumpering 40 traces on a cracked TV main board instead of buying a
> new
> > > > board
> > > >
> > > > -in a power supply, using two 2200uF capacitors in parallel instead
of
> > > > one 3900uF.
> > > >
> > > > - when a multiple winding transformer opened in a stereo receiver
> power
> > > > supply, I install three separate transformers in order to make up
all
> > > > the required voltage outputs
> > > >
> > > > - plastic button array no longer available on a TV set- solution,
> > > > install my own bank of push button switches instead
> > > >
> > > > -replace picture tubes with numbers that don't anywhere match the
> > > > original
> > > >
> > > > -replace yokes with windings that are different than the original
> > > >
> > > > - replace relays with ones that did not match, sometimes have to
drill
> > > > new holes in circuit board to make them fit.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is this enough, or are you having a heart attack by now?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next time, I might be writing you from jail.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gary McCartney
> > > >
> > > > McCartney Electronics
> > > > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > > Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > > email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > HSWAD@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > All the things you are attempting to do are illegal. Purchase a
> proper
> > > new
> > > > > part or give it back to your customer. If you jury rig and it
fails
> > you
> > > are
> > > > > liable. 45 years experience here. Hollis
> > > > >
> > > > > In a message dated 2/7/02 11:49:23 AM Eastern
> > Standard
> > > Time,
> > > > > number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > << Subj: [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced
keypad
> > > ribbon
> > > > > cable
> > > > > Date: 2/7/02 11:49:23 AM Eastern Standard Time
> > > > > From: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (Gary McCartney)
> > > > > Sender: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Reply-to: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ya, I think I am pretty well screwed on this one. The conductors
> are
> > > not
> > > > > copper. They are some type of painted -on substance. I also can't
> dig
> > > > > them out of the plastic. I've tried scraping and grinding and
> > slicing,
> > > > > but can't reveal the conductor. I haven't ripped the keypad away
> from
> > > > > the plastic frame but I'm fairly sure that the ribbon cable and
> > keypad
> > > > > are all one piece.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the reply.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone has some microwave keypads laying around that you are
> > willing
> > > > > to part with
> > > > >
> > > > > , I have posted a picture at:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.number63.ca/microwave.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not anticipate at this point that there is any problem with
> the
> > > > > control panel.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gary McCartney
> > > > >
> > > > > McCartney Electronics
> > > > > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > > > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > > > Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > > > email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > J Silverman wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you can expose enough of the traces and if they are copper
you
> > may
> > > be
> > > > > > able to solder a jumper wire across the break. I have done this
> on
> > > > > camcorder
> > > > > > ribbon cables where there was lots of $ at stake. Sometimes the
> > > copper is
> > > > > so
> > > > > > thin and narrow it just falls apart in the soldering. I dont
> > believe
> > > that a
> > > > > > paint will work as there is no way to support the ribbon cable.
> > > Sometimes I
> > > > > > just remove the ribbon cable and replace the whole thing with
> > wires.
> > > If the
> > > > > > buttons and ribbon cable are one piece that wont work for you.
> > > > > > Jerry Silverman
> > > > > > Greentron Inc
> > > > > > 4 Newland Ave
> > > > > > Greenville SC 29609
> > > > > > 864 232 3889
> > > > > > Fax 271 2080
> > > > > > mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Gary McCartney" <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:14 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypad
> > > ribbon
> > > > > cable
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ken, many of the US 1-800 numbers will work from here. There
> are
> > > some,
> > > > > > > however that don't.
> > > > > > > I have heard that there is an intermediate number that can be
> > > called and
> > > > > > > the charge is from the caller to the US border only. Not sure
> if
> > it
> > > > > > > works or not.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This microwave is just a small one so the customer is not
> likely
> > > gonna
> > > > > > > want it fixed if I have to order a keypad, so either I have
to
> > > bridge
> > > > > > > the trace in the flexible cable or forget it. I am
> experimenting
> >
> > > with
> > > > > > > grinding the plastic with my dremel. May or may not work.
Then
> if
> > I
> > > get
> > > > > > > the trace bare, I'll get some of that rear window defogger
> repair
> > > > > > > compound. I haven't had any luck with the rubber keypad
repair
> > kits
> > > for
> > > > > > > remotes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ya, the customer must have got his tools against the flex
cable
> > and
> > > > > > > split it open because he sure did a winning job at
> re-installing
> > > the
> > > > > > > interlock switch. Looked like something Red Green would
> > > attempt....duct
> > > > > > > tape.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gary McCartney
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > McCartney Electronics
> > > > > > > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > > > > > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > > > > > Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > > > > > email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > gulftech@xxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gary,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Have never had any luck trying to fix a keypad. What a
dork
> > your
> > > > > > > > customer is!!! The keypad peels off of the front panel.
> Clean
> > > the
> > > > > > > > residue well before applying the new one, or it will not be
> > > smooth.
> > > > > Try
> > > > > > > > Global--see below.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ken,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have worked on microwaves for 10 years. That's the first
> > time
> > > I ever
> > > > > > > > heard a magnetron referred to as a tube. Call Global
> > > Micro-Parts,
> > > > > > > > 1-800-325-8488. Please start a new post with a new topic.
> > BTW,
> > > you'll
> > > > > > > > need a number of the magnetron.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gary-- Please don't laugh. This is a serious question.
Do
> > U.S.
> > > 800
> > > > > > > > numbers work in Canada?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ken Smith
> > > > > > > > Gulf Technical Services
> > > > > > > > 3034 Gulf Breeze Parkway
> > > > > > > > Gulf Breeze, FL 32563
> > > > > > > > 850-934-8324 (Voice) 850-932-0819 (Fax)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 03:48:39 -0800 "Ken Dinckan"
> > > <kdinckan@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > writes:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Gary
> > > > > > > > > you can probably try that conductive material they use
for
> > the
> > > worn
> > > > > > > > > remote
> > > > > > > > > control buttons.. I never tried but it might work just to
> > give
> > > you
> > > > > > > > > idea..
> > > > > > > > > See if it is helps
> > > > > > > > > I just had one Emerson Microwave and Tube is gone and
> called
> > > Fox
> > > > > > > > > they want $97.80 plus shipping. This Emerson has bad
> > repitation
> > > for
> > > > > > > > > me. So
> > > > > > > > > do you have any used tubes laying around??
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ken Dinckan
> > > > > > > > > ALL Tv&Appliance Service
> > > > > > > > > 2747 Roosevelt Street # B
> > > > > > > > > Carlsbad CA, 92008
> > > > > > > > > tel: (760)434-1131
> > > > > > > > > fax: (760)434-8856
> > > > > > > > > email to : kdinckan@xxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Gary McCartney" <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 3:33 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced
keypad
> > > ribbon
> > > > > > > > > cable
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have this microwave oven which the customer attempted
> to
> > > repair
> > > > > > > > > > himself. He had duct tape wound around the primary
> > interlock
> > > > > > > > > switch and
> > > > > > > > > > the switch was busted. After I replaced the switch and
> > > checked all
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > interlock switches, I plugged the oven in and wasn't
able
> > to
> > > > > > > > > control the
> > > > > > > > > > keypad except for the defrost and clear buttons. Then I
> > > noticed
> > > > > > > > > that 3
> > > > > > > > > > traces in the flexable ribbon cable from the keypad to
> the
> > > control
> > > > > > > > > panel
> > > > > > > > > > were sliced. Does anyone have a way of repairing this,
> > other
> > > than
> > > > > > > > > > ordering a new keypad? The traces are sandwiched in
> plastic
> > > and
> > > > > > > > > they are
> > > > > > > > > > made of that nasty un-solderable conductive material. I
> > tried
> > > to
> > > > > > > > > scrape
> > > > > > > > > > the plastic down to the traces but was not successful.
> Can
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > keypad be
> > > > > > > > > > removed from the plastic front panel which it seems to
be
> > > > > > > > > permanently
> > > > > > > > > > part of?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any help.
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Gary McCartney
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > McCartney Electronics
> > > > > > > > > > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > > > > > > > > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > > > > > > > > Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > > > > > > > > email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > > Gary McCartney
> > > >
> > > > McCartney Electronics
> > > > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > > Fax: (519)821-1530
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