8 or 10? Don't I wish! I can't hear anything above 2Khz, was 3 in 1982. In 1955 I could hear the TV horizontal from across the room. The unappreciated joys of youth. Russ Hoyt Hoyt's TV Exeter, NH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Gutz" <alg@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:59 PM Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Hypothetical: When NTSC goes,will we have one standard ? > The change of system was pushed by a couple of large equippment > manufacturers with lots of lobbying money. TV stations were strongly > opposed because it is costing them millions of dollars to upgrage their > equippment with no increase in advertising revenue. Quite likely there > will be some small market stations that will fold because they cannot > afford the upgrade. > > For a large part the public don't care as long as there is something on > the screen and it talks. A few appreciate the improved quality, and > others get it because they are told it's the thing to do and to impress > their friends. Its kind of like stereo audio, a large percent of people > cannot tell the difference between stereo and a mono signal on two > speakers and cannot hear anything above 8 or 10Khz yet they go buy an > expensive surround audio system. > > Al G > > J Silverman wrote: >> This is an example of change driven by the people who hope to profit from >> forcing it on the public, rather than change due to demand from the >> public. >> Jerry Silverman >> Greentron Inc >> 4 Newland Ave >> Greenville SC 29609 >> Fax/Phone 864 232 3889 >> mail to: greentron@xxxxxxx >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:53 AM >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Hypothetical: When NTSC goes,will we have one >> standard ? >> >> >> >>>Well,...then you won't have to be one of the poor suckers that will need >> >> to >> >>>make the switch. Your already there. They can't all be that lucky,...and >>>many of them won't even know things of that nature even exist. If they >>>buy >> >> a >> >>>new set, they won't even know what buttons to push on thier remotes to >>>get >>>the most out of it. >>> >>>Kinda like the "PIP",....5% of them used it,...95% of them didn't even >> >> know >> >>>it was there. Also,...closed caption,...5% use it,....for the rest it is >>>only an anoyance. Three languages on a Menu was also a stupid thing to >>>allow. "SAP",....was completly un-necassary. Nobody uses it. >>> >>>There is no reason to switch from a system that 95% of the American >>>consumers are already satisfied with. It's crazy to keep changing things >>>just because you can. Have something good ? Stick with it,...screw the >> >> rest >> >>>of the world. >>> >>>LLW >>> >>>LeRoy Westlund >>>Westlund TV & Electronics >>>97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,.. >>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget " >>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Ron Miller d.b.a. Country TV <rlmbkm@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:11 PM >>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Hypothetical: When NTSC goes,will we have one >>>standard ? >>> >>> >>> >>>>My 53in Panasonic rear projection crt PTV with native res of 1080i using >>>>Dish network for HD programming and also the free OTA signals BLOW NTSC >> >> all >> >>>>to pieces. >>>>Country TV >>>>Ron Miller >>>>Inez, TX. 77968 >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 10:38 PM >>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Hypothetical: When NTSC goes,will we have one >>> >>>standard >>> >>>>? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>No,...I didn't say that,...but,...since you brought it up,....I see no >>>>>need >>>>>to change the system. The picture on the NTSC sets is plenty good >> >> enough >> >>>>>for >>>>>the average Joe Blow.(including me). The picture on a HDTV looks kinda >>>>>phoney to me. The old system looks more "life like". >>> >>>Sometimes,...progress >>> >>>>>is not always for the better. The whole direction this country is >> >> headed >> >>>>>in, >>>>>is fast getting out of hand. We are headed for disaster. >>>>> >>>>>IMO, >>>>>LLW >>>>> >>>>>LeRoy Westlund >>>>>Westlund TV & Electronics >>>>>97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,.. >>>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget " >>>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >>>>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Ron Miller d.b.a. Country TV <rlmbkm@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:17 PM >>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Hypothetical: When NTSC goes,will we have one >>>>>standard ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Are you saying you would rather see TV broadcast stay analog NTSC >>>>> >>>>>standard?? >>>>> >>>>>>Country TV >>>>>>Ron Miller >>>>>>Inez, TX. 77968 >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "LeRoy Westlund" <llw@xxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:48 PM >>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Hypothetical: When NTSC goes,will we have one >>>>> >>>>>standard >>>>> >>>>>>? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I disagree. >>>>>>>I think big brother is getting nastier with each passing day,...and >>> >>>when >>> >>>>>>>the >>>>>>>time comes that they are ready to cram this down our throuts,.....we >>>>>>>better >>>>>>>be able, and willing to swallow it. Joe Blow (public) in this country >>> >>>is >>> >>>>>>>too >>>>>>>weakened by just the everyday struggle to meet thier financial needs, >>>>>>>and >>>>>>>obligations. They don't have time to fight this problem,...and will >>>>> >>>>>accept >>>>> >>>>>>>it , just like a heard of sheep that is driven down the road. The >> >> dogs >> >>>>>>>will >>>>>>>keep um movin. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>LLW >>>>>>> >>>>>>>LeRoy Westlund >>>>>>>Westlund TV & Electronics >>>>>>>97 North Main " I forgot,..to remember,.. >>>>>>>Centerfield, UT 84622-0087 to forget " >>>>>>>Ph./Fax 435-528-3822 >>>>>>>mailto:LLW@xxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>From: Al Gutz <alg@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:36 PM >>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Fw: Hypothetical: When NTSC goes,will we >>>>> >>>>>haveone >>>>> >>>>>>>standard? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The alloted bandwidth allows one 1080 signal or up to three 480 >>> >>>signals. >>> >>>>>>>>Plans were to use 1080 for prime time high profile programs and the >>> >>>rest >>> >>>>>>>>of the time to use lower res and have something like an info, >>>>>>>>weather >>> >>>or >>> >>>>>>>>shopping channel. >>>>>>>>Don't count on NTSC dissapearing too soon. Joe average lower >>> >>>middleclass >>> >>>>>>>>doesn't want to spend the rent money to buy a new TV set, he wants >>>>>>>>to >>>>>>>>come home sit back and relax with a cold one. If he thinks the rich >>> >>>guys >>> >>>>>>>>are taking away his main entertainment, he is going to get ugly and >>>>>>>>governments fear the masses getting ugly. If there are converter >> >> boxes >> >>>>>>>>then they better be free. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Al G >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>tjanphyl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I suppose much like the PC monitor refresh rates. >>>>>>>>>640x480,800x600,1024x768 and so on. They will be there but some >> >> will >> >>>>>>>>>favor one over others for various reasons.Some will be >> >> popular,others >> >>>>>>>>>obscure. When I become king of the planet, all this will change. >>>>>>>>>Phil >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>From: Damon <DamonEB@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 6:16 pm >>>>>>>>>Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Fw: Hypothetical: When NTSC goes,will we >>>>>>>>>have one standard? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Well, the scan rates will not change.....but >>>>>>>>>>You'll probably always see 480i , 480p, 720p and 1080i signals, >>>>>>>>>>Although I suspect most, if not all TV stations will move towards >>>>>>>>>>1080i, >>>>>>>>>>ABC is the only one I know that transmits 720P. >>>>>>>>>>So no, you'll see 4 standards. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Damon Brunger >>>>>>>>>>Telrad Electronics >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Al L wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 1:22 PM >>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Fw: Hypothetical: When NTSC goes,will we have one >> >> standard? >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 1:21 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Hypothetical: When NTSC goes,will we have one standard? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I hope that eventually we end up with a simplified sweep >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>system,and only >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>one hdtv standard. 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