[TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
- From: al <alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 01:20:17 -0500
ya mean ya can't trust Bill Gates?
aaeeeeeeee! al
alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Al Leatherman
Mine Hill, NJ 07803
973-361-5796
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Dougherty" <jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:03 PM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
>
> I say again, Do not trust MS back up.
> I lost files for putting my trust in that.
>
> Jeff
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "OrpheusComputing.com Repair" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:54 AM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
>
>
> >
> > I haven't used ms backup yet either. I tried a couple of
> > days ago, but (I think I mentioned below somewhere) "It just
> > stopped with an error "an unexpected error occurred (like
> > there is a such thing as an EXPECTED error!)" and said "end
> > of media"! So, why didn't it tell me to insert more media
> > I'd like to know.
> >
> > You may not need Ghost, you already have Adaptec's "take
> > two", so wait for some comments on that. Some here have used
> > it but I don't think anyone has tried to 'restore' with it
> > yet.
> > -Clint
> >
> > God Bless Us All &
> > Happy New Year
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "al" <alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:01 AM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks Clint!
> > All I can say is WOW! I am saving that e mail. How about
> > the backup
> > program I got with Win 98?
> > Can I use that while I digest all this great stuff you just
> > sent.?
> > Everybody:
> > Should I buy Ghost? Seems to have a good rep? If I
> > can duplicate a
> > HD easily, it would seem like a good idea to clone my current
> > HD,unplug it
> > and experiment with all of Clint's instructions. I am always
> > reluctant to
> > experiment unless its safe,ever since I crashed my HD by
> > ignoring
> > one of Mr. Gates warnings.I had to fax Clint one morning
> > after a bigtime
> > screw up, and he was good enough to call me.I now defer to Mr
> > Gates
> > warnings.Thanks Clint.
> > al
> >
> > alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Al Leatherman
> > Mine Hill, NJ 07803
> > 973-361-5796
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "OrpheusComputing.com Repair"
> > <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:15 AM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > "Hickory" may be a joke. I'm still waiting to hear from
> > John
> > > on that, I've never heard of it before.
> > >
> > > You don't need to keep it under the capacity of one CD,
> > just
> > > use more than one CD. Now it depends on what you mean by
> > > 'backing up'. If all you want is copies of downloads,
> > > documents, saved emails, etc, yes, this is what you do with
> > > DCD (adaptec's direct CD). Just drag the doc's to a CD,
> > when
> > > that one is full, use another. This is what I have been
> > > doing for years. I keep a folder on the desktop for
> > > important things, then periodically dump that to a CD. On
> > my
> > > last new HD install, I had 11 full CDR's of
> > > doc's/downloads/programs I had to reinstall. But you can't
> > > just drag folder after folder from a HD to a cd and call
> > that
> > > a backup. It's not. You cannot 'copy' any folders of
> > > PROGRAMS that are INSTALLED already on a HD to a cd then
> > > expect to do the reverse on a new HD, that won't work. You
> > > can only do this with file types like I mentioned above.
> > You
> > > can also do this with a 2nd slaved HD, just have all
> > > downloads automatically go to it, as well as all things you
> > > save. It cannot have windows on it or windows will see it
> > at
> > > boot as a dual boot system (at least in my experiences that
> > > happened). It can only be formatted, then windows will see
> > > it as just another storage device. I will probably start
> > > doing this instead copying important things to a CD every
> > so
> > > often. Both should be done actually, because the slaved HD
> > > can always fail from mechanical failure, and if it does,
> > you
> > > still have the good things on CD's. CD's are not a sure
> > > thing, they can have a 'bad recording' and you may think
> > your
> > > data is on one of them and go to read it and get something
> > > like 'cannot open drive E', 'cannot read from drive E',
> > etc.
> > > then that CDR and data on it is ruined. In the case of a
> > > cdrw disk, the data will be ruined but you can always
> > > reformat the cdrw disk and use it again. However, it may
> > be
> > > defective since the first time it lost data.
> > >
> > > After you copy something to a cdr or cdrw, ALWAYS remove it
> > > from the drive, then re-insert it in the CDROM drive,
> > that's
> > > CDROM drive and BE SURE you can read ALL of the data from
> > it,
> > > then you know it's probably permanently safe. Of course
> > the
> > > cdr disk must be closed out to read in a regular cdrom
> > drive.
> > > What I do is check for data integrity BEFORE it's closed,
> > > then I only close it to read in a regular drive after the
> > cdr
> > > disk is full, then I check it for readability in the cdrom
> > > drive. If it's ok, I then put it in a case and put it
> > aside
> > > for the next HD format. You want the cdr disks closed so
> > you
> > > can read them in your cdrom drive after the new HD format
> > > before you must install Adaptec/Roxio software; otherwise
> > the
> > > first thing you do would have to be install Adaptec in
> > order
> > > to read the disks. That's just a matter of personal
> > > preference I guess, but I prefer to have them closed so
> > they
> > > will read in BOTH cdrom and cdrw drives without having to
> > > install the cdr software first. If they are still 'open
> > > sessioned', then they are not as trustworthy. After a new
> > HD
> > > is installed and your data is saved to a cdRW disk, it will
> > > only read in a CDROM drive that is of 'multi read'
> > > capability, and on some, a UDF reader must be installed
> > > first. This is why I prefer to use cdR disks for permanent
> > > data, and cdRW disks for outlook express backups and other
> > > backed up data that WILL change over time. Otherwise, you
> > > just waste a cdR disk once it gets full of OE email
> > backups.
> > >
> > > As far as copying the ENTIRE HD, sector by sector for an
> > > image of a HD, you can ONLY do that with a 'backup program'
> > > like Ghost, Take Two, Drive copy, and others. I have not
> > > used any of these yet. From what I understand, they all
> > are
> > > used from DOS (for obvious reasons). You also restore from
> > > the spanned CD's (or tape drive) from DOS to a new HD. You
> > > can only do this on a NEWLY FORMATTED HD. If you do this
> > > with a HD that has been in use for a while, these programs
> > > also copy all the errors and data corruption. You should
> > get
> > > a HD, set it up PERFECTLY with all windows updates,
> > patches,
> > > etc,...install all your drivers, etc, THEN use one of the
> > > backup programs to 'image' that. Then when that HD fails
> > due
> > > to mechanical failure OR simple data failure (in the case
> > of
> > > the latter), just reformat again and run the backup
> > program.
> > > You don't need to install windows or update anything, or
> > > install your drivers. These programs put the HD back to
> > the
> > > state in which it was saved in the backup programs. I
> > would
> > > guess that before you run the 'restore' from any of these
> > > programs, the OS AND SETUP MUST be EXACTLY as it was
> > before.
> > > You probably cannot backup a HD that (just for example) has
> > > IE 5.01.123a on it, and try to restore that to a new HD
> > that
> > > has IE 5.01.123b on it. This is JUST AN EXAMPLE, this
> > MIGHT
> > > work with IE, buy may not with some of the windows updates
> > > and patches. I say this because of the outlook express
> > > backup program I use. I backed up something like OE
> > > 5.5.1234, and when to restore it on a new HD that had OE
> > > 5.5.1235 on it, and the program said something like the
> > > folder not found, or destination not found...........or I
> > > believe it was more something like "destination folders and
> > > restoration folders do not match". So, this may too be the
> > > case with the backup programs. Something to keep in mind.
> > > Many of the windows updates change folders around, (delete
> > > some and create new ones). Maybe someone that has used
> > them
> > > can answer this, I need to know it too.
> > >
> > > All three of these methods should be used, certainly at
> > least
> > > the two in the first paragraph. This way you will always
> > > have your important data saved. The backup method in the
> > 2nd
> > > paragraph is just to save you a LOT of time after
> > installing
> > > a new HD or reformatting your existing HD. I would think
> > the
> > > true backup method would also work after you have installed
> > > all of your programs. It should restore them back the same
> > > way it restores the windows setup and drivers. Only
> > someone
> > > that has used them can vouch for that though.
> > > -Clint
> > >
> > > God Bless Us All &
> > > Happy New Year
> > > Clint Hamilton, Owner
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> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "al" <alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:49 PM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks Clint,
> > > Now Gurus,
> > > How about moving stuff I want backed up to my second
> > > drive,keeping it
> > > under the capacity of the CD, and using hickory to "clone"
> > a
> > > CD. Is that
> > > practical to make a true copy? Don't laugh if that is
> > > impractical, please.
> > > al
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "OrpheusComputing.com Repair"
> > > <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:39 AM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Al, You never want to compress a HD, that can slow it
> > down
> > > > tremendously. The backup can be compressed on a CD, and
> > as
> > > > many CD's as you need can be used when you use
> > 'spanning'.
> > > > However I attempted this with MS Backup that is with
> > win98,
> > > > and that ridiculous program never prompted for the 2nd
> > CD!
> > > > It just stopped, said 'an unexpected error has occurred'
> > > > (duuuhhhh, like how many ARE expected!) and said 'media
> > is
> > > > full', then it the program shut down. So that ruined one
> > > CD
> > > > so far. I will give Take Two a shot as well as Ghost.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for all the info on this guys (Gary, Jim, John
> > [are
> > > > you joking?], Quenton, Chaz, Richard, Bil, Jay, Barry)
> > I've
> > > > just been too busy to reply to any of them or try out any
> > > of
> > > > them just yet. Just too busy right now. :-)
> > > > -Clint
> > > >
> > > > God Bless Us All &
> > > > Happy New Year
> > > > Clint Hamilton, Owner
> > > > http://OrpheusComputing.com
> > > > http://ComputerHardware-ConsumerElectronics.com
> > > > sales@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Fax: 209-882-9602
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> > > > 4orpheus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (alternates)
> > > > orpheuscomputing@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > (PLEASE include our previous correspondence
> > > > if replying to this email!!)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "al" <alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 10:22 AM
> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Stupid question? Will Hickory work with filling up a CD
> > on
> > > a
> > > > burner?I could
> > > > put my important stuff on me second hard drive,up to say
> > > 600
> > > > meg, and
> > > > "clone" it to a CD for back up. How about compressing my
> > > hard
> > > > drive and
> > > > "cloning" it to a CD for back up? What say the gurus?
> > > > appreciate your help.
> > > > al
> > > >
> > > > alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Al Leatherman
> > > > Mine Hill, NJ 07803
> > > > 973-361-5796
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Clancy Harms" <dickstv1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 10:20 AM
> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That was good!
> > > > >
> > > > > Clancy Harms NESDA's Region 7
> > > > Director
> > > > > Dick's Radio & TV, Inc.
> > > > > 2319 West Clay St. If it's broken...a
> > real
> > > > man can
> > > > > St. Charles, MO. 63301 can break it even
> > better
> > > !
> > > > > (636)-724-5055
> > > > > (636)-724-5531 fax
> > > > > email: dickstv1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > mailto:dickstv1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Damon" <DAMON101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:17 AM
> > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wow, so you can clone a drive using a /h/i/c/k/e/r/y
> > > > switch eh? Beat
> > > > that
> > > > > > drive with a hickery switch.....8^)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Damon Brunger
> > > > > > damon101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Telrad Electronic Services
> > > > > > Ft Wayne, IN 46815
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "John Zaborniak" <jzaborniak@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:15 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes it does.... I'm running Windows Me and did my
> > own
> > > > drive last
> > > > week...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jim Myers wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John, does this really work? I always used xcopy
> > to
> > > > clone a hard
> > > > drive
> > > > > > until
> > > > > > > > Windows 95, then it would not work for me, long
> > > file
> > > > names and all
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > fancy stuff. I haven't tried it since I found it
> > > > would no longer
> > > > work.
> > > > > > Has
> > > > > > > > xcopy been upgraded?
> > > > > > > > Jim Myers
> > > > > > > > jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "John Zaborniak" <jzaborniak@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:46 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Clint,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If your plan is to duplicate your existing HD, I
> > > have
> > > > been using
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > method for a number of years.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > HARD-DRIVE Duplicate Copy
> > > Command
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The command below will copy all the files off the
> > > old
> > > > hard drive and
> > > > > put
> > > > > > > > them on the new one.
> > > > > > > > xcopy /h /i /c /k /e /r /y c:\*.* d:\
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ( 1 ) Put your second hard drive in as a slave
> > > after
> > > > it's been
> > > > fdisked
> > > > > > > > and formatted.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ( 2 ) From the Win95 or Win98 Command interface,
> > > > click Start button
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > then on
> > > > > > > > Run. Then type the following: xcopy /h /i
> > > /c
> > > > /k /e /r /y
> > > > > c:\*.*
> > > > > > > > d:\
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This command will only work when the full
> > operating
> > > > system is up.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > cannot boot bare and run this command
> > successfully.
> > > > The above
> > > > command
> > > > > > > > will make a perfect copy of your entire hard
> > drive
> > > to
> > > > a second
> > > > drive,
> > > > > no
> > > > > > > > special weird utilities needed. I've been using
> > > this
> > > > command for
> > > > years
> > > > > > > > to dupe drives, works like a charm.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "OrpheusComputing.com Repair" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Has anyone here every used Norton Ghost 2001 to
> > > > back up and
> > > > > > > > > HD and restore it?
> > > > > > > > > -Clint
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > God Bless Us All &
> > > > > > > > > Happy New Year
> > > > > > > > > Clint Hamilton, Owner
> > > > > > > > > http://OrpheusComputing.com
> > > > > > > > > http://ComputerHardware-ConsumerElectronics.com
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