[TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
- From: Gary McCartney <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 10:37:44 -0500
Clint, with Ghost you don't need to format the hard drive before you do
a restore. It will write over top of your format anyhow. So what ever is
on the HD since your last Ghost backup will be lost completely.
Gary McCartney
McCartney Electronics
7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
Fax: (519)821-1530
email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
"OrpheusComputing.com Repair" wrote:
>
> "Hickory" may be a joke. I'm still waiting to hear from John
> on that, I've never heard of it before.
>
> You don't need to keep it under the capacity of one CD, just
> use more than one CD. Now it depends on what you mean by
> 'backing up'. If all you want is copies of downloads,
> documents, saved emails, etc, yes, this is what you do with
> DCD (adaptec's direct CD). Just drag the doc's to a CD, when
> that one is full, use another. This is what I have been
> doing for years. I keep a folder on the desktop for
> important things, then periodically dump that to a CD. On my
> last new HD install, I had 11 full CDR's of
> doc's/downloads/programs I had to reinstall. But you can't
> just drag folder after folder from a HD to a cd and call that
> a backup. It's not. You cannot 'copy' any folders of
> PROGRAMS that are INSTALLED already on a HD to a cd then
> expect to do the reverse on a new HD, that won't work. You
> can only do this with file types like I mentioned above. You
> can also do this with a 2nd slaved HD, just have all
> downloads automatically go to it, as well as all things you
> save. It cannot have windows on it or windows will see it at
> boot as a dual boot system (at least in my experiences that
> happened). It can only be formatted, then windows will see
> it as just another storage device. I will probably start
> doing this instead copying important things to a CD every so
> often. Both should be done actually, because the slaved HD
> can always fail from mechanical failure, and if it does, you
> still have the good things on CD's. CD's are not a sure
> thing, they can have a 'bad recording' and you may think your
> data is on one of them and go to read it and get something
> like 'cannot open drive E', 'cannot read from drive E', etc.
> then that CDR and data on it is ruined. In the case of a
> cdrw disk, the data will be ruined but you can always
> reformat the cdrw disk and use it again. However, it may be
> defective since the first time it lost data.
>
> After you copy something to a cdr or cdrw, ALWAYS remove it
> from the drive, then re-insert it in the CDROM drive, that's
> CDROM drive and BE SURE you can read ALL of the data from it,
> then you know it's probably permanently safe. Of course the
> cdr disk must be closed out to read in a regular cdrom drive.
> What I do is check for data integrity BEFORE it's closed,
> then I only close it to read in a regular drive after the cdr
> disk is full, then I check it for readability in the cdrom
> drive. If it's ok, I then put it in a case and put it aside
> for the next HD format. You want the cdr disks closed so you
> can read them in your cdrom drive after the new HD format
> before you must install Adaptec/Roxio software; otherwise the
> first thing you do would have to be install Adaptec in order
> to read the disks. That's just a matter of personal
> preference I guess, but I prefer to have them closed so they
> will read in BOTH cdrom and cdrw drives without having to
> install the cdr software first. If they are still 'open
> sessioned', then they are not as trustworthy. After a new HD
> is installed and your data is saved to a cdRW disk, it will
> only read in a CDROM drive that is of 'multi read'
> capability, and on some, a UDF reader must be installed
> first. This is why I prefer to use cdR disks for permanent
> data, and cdRW disks for outlook express backups and other
> backed up data that WILL change over time. Otherwise, you
> just waste a cdR disk once it gets full of OE email backups.
>
> As far as copying the ENTIRE HD, sector by sector for an
> image of a HD, you can ONLY do that with a 'backup program'
> like Ghost, Take Two, Drive copy, and others. I have not
> used any of these yet. From what I understand, they all are
> used from DOS (for obvious reasons). You also restore from
> the spanned CD's (or tape drive) from DOS to a new HD. You
> can only do this on a NEWLY FORMATTED HD. If you do this
> with a HD that has been in use for a while, these programs
> also copy all the errors and data corruption. You should get
> a HD, set it up PERFECTLY with all windows updates, patches,
> etc,...install all your drivers, etc, THEN use one of the
> backup programs to 'image' that. Then when that HD fails due
> to mechanical failure OR simple data failure (in the case of
> the latter), just reformat again and run the backup program.
> You don't need to install windows or update anything, or
> install your drivers. These programs put the HD back to the
> state in which it was saved in the backup programs. I would
> guess that before you run the 'restore' from any of these
> programs, the OS AND SETUP MUST be EXACTLY as it was before.
> You probably cannot backup a HD that (just for example) has
> IE 5.01.123a on it, and try to restore that to a new HD that
> has IE 5.01.123b on it. This is JUST AN EXAMPLE, this MIGHT
> work with IE, buy may not with some of the windows updates
> and patches. I say this because of the outlook express
> backup program I use. I backed up something like OE
> 5.5.1234, and when to restore it on a new HD that had OE
> 5.5.1235 on it, and the program said something like the
> folder not found, or destination not found...........or I
> believe it was more something like "destination folders and
> restoration folders do not match". So, this may too be the
> case with the backup programs. Something to keep in mind.
> Many of the windows updates change folders around, (delete
> some and create new ones). Maybe someone that has used them
> can answer this, I need to know it too.
>
> All three of these methods should be used, certainly at least
> the two in the first paragraph. This way you will always
> have your important data saved. The backup method in the 2nd
> paragraph is just to save you a LOT of time after installing
> a new HD or reformatting your existing HD. I would think the
> true backup method would also work after you have installed
> all of your programs. It should restore them back the same
> way it restores the windows setup and drivers. Only someone
> that has used them can vouch for that though.
> -Clint
>
> God Bless Us All &
> Happy New Year
> Clint Hamilton, Owner
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "al" <alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:49 PM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
>
> Thanks Clint,
> Now Gurus,
> How about moving stuff I want backed up to my second
> drive,keeping it
> under the capacity of the CD, and using hickory to "clone" a
> CD. Is that
> practical to make a true copy? Don't laugh if that is
> impractical, please.
> al
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "OrpheusComputing.com Repair"
> <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:39 AM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
>
> >
> > Al, You never want to compress a HD, that can slow it down
> > tremendously. The backup can be compressed on a CD, and as
> > many CD's as you need can be used when you use 'spanning'.
> > However I attempted this with MS Backup that is with win98,
> > and that ridiculous program never prompted for the 2nd CD!
> > It just stopped, said 'an unexpected error has occurred'
> > (duuuhhhh, like how many ARE expected!) and said 'media is
> > full', then it the program shut down. So that ruined one
> CD
> > so far. I will give Take Two a shot as well as Ghost.
> >
> > Thanks for all the info on this guys (Gary, Jim, John [are
> > you joking?], Quenton, Chaz, Richard, Bil, Jay, Barry) I've
> > just been too busy to reply to any of them or try out any
> of
> > them just yet. Just too busy right now. :-)
> > -Clint
> >
> > God Bless Us All &
> > Happy New Year
> > Clint Hamilton, Owner
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> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "al" <alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 10:22 AM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
> >
> >
> >
> > Stupid question? Will Hickory work with filling up a CD on
> a
> > burner?I could
> > put my important stuff on me second hard drive,up to say
> 600
> > meg, and
> > "clone" it to a CD for back up. How about compressing my
> hard
> > drive and
> > "cloning" it to a CD for back up? What say the gurus?
> > appreciate your help.
> > al
> >
> > alleathe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Al Leatherman
> > Mine Hill, NJ 07803
> > 973-361-5796
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Clancy Harms" <dickstv1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 10:20 AM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > That was good!
> > >
> > > Clancy Harms NESDA's Region 7
> > Director
> > > Dick's Radio & TV, Inc.
> > > 2319 West Clay St. If it's broken...a real
> > man can
> > > St. Charles, MO. 63301 can break it even better
> !
> > > (636)-724-5055
> > > (636)-724-5531 fax
> > > email: dickstv1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > mailto:dickstv1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Damon" <DAMON101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:17 AM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Wow, so you can clone a drive using a /h/i/c/k/e/r/y
> > switch eh? Beat
> > that
> > > > drive with a hickery switch.....8^)
> > > >
> > > > Damon Brunger
> > > > damon101@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Telrad Electronic Services
> > > > Ft Wayne, IN 46815
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Zaborniak" <jzaborniak@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:15 PM
> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes it does.... I'm running Windows Me and did my own
> > drive last
> > week...
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim Myers wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > John, does this really work? I always used xcopy to
> > clone a hard
> > drive
> > > > until
> > > > > > Windows 95, then it would not work for me, long
> file
> > names and all
> > > that
> > > > > > fancy stuff. I haven't tried it since I found it
> > would no longer
> > work.
> > > > Has
> > > > > > xcopy been upgraded?
> > > > > > Jim Myers
> > > > > > jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "John Zaborniak" <jzaborniak@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:46 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Ghost 2001 users?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Clint,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If your plan is to duplicate your existing HD, I
> have
> > been using
> > this
> > > > > > method for a number of years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HARD-DRIVE Duplicate Copy
> Command
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The command below will copy all the files off the
> old
> > hard drive and
> > > put
> > > > > > them on the new one.
> > > > > > xcopy /h /i /c /k /e /r /y c:\*.* d:\
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ( 1 ) Put your second hard drive in as a slave
> after
> > it's been
> > fdisked
> > > > > > and formatted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ( 2 ) From the Win95 or Win98 Command interface,
> > click Start button
> > > and
> > > > > > then on
> > > > > > Run. Then type the following: xcopy /h /i
> /c
> > /k /e /r /y
> > > c:\*.*
> > > > > > d:\
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This command will only work when the full operating
> > system is up.
> > You
> > > > > > cannot boot bare and run this command successfully.
> > The above
> > command
> > > > > > will make a perfect copy of your entire hard drive
> to
> > a second
> > drive,
> > > no
> > > > > > special weird utilities needed. I've been using
> this
> > command for
> > years
> > > > > > to dupe drives, works like a charm.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "OrpheusComputing.com Repair" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Has anyone here every used Norton Ghost 2001 to
> > back up and
> > > > > > > HD and restore it?
> > > > > > > -Clint
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > God Bless Us All &
> > > > > > > Happy New Year
> > > > > > > Clint Hamilton, Owner
> > > > > > > http://OrpheusComputing.com
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