[TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypadribbon cable
- From: Gary McCartney <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:17:42 -0500
Thanks for the support, Gaetan.
Gary
Gaetan wrote:
>
> Gary yesssssssssirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
> I do agree 100% with you !
> We are Kings in our businesses , and I don't think its an illegal business
> at all (many do it on cars ....... imagine , and .... planes !!!!! )
> It takes someone to overdone bad designs , for sure , and it's surely not
> Japanese ingeneers that will .
> we have to do it , anyways , specilally if part is NLA .
> And people come to see us for it , to give second life to their things (and
> they do trust us !)
>
> I'm sure everybody here on the list had done it once or twice (talking
> thousand times) (if not , they surely done it on another domain (probably
> their house or their cars))
>
> If I go to jail either , I wanna be in the same cell as you Gary , we gonna
> have fun :-)
>
> Angel Gaetan Bourgouin hihihihi
> Techno Logik
> Terrebonne Que. Can.
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>
> At 22:55 06-02-02 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >Hi Gary
> >I agree for all
> >and this was a very good response for this fellow
> >
> >Ken Dinckan
> >ALL Tv&Appliance Service
> >2747 Roosevelt Street # B
> >Carlsbad CA, 92008
> >tel: (760)434-1131
> >fax: (760)434-8856
> >email to : kdinckan@xxxxxxx
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Gary McCartney" <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:31 AM
> >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypad ribbon cable
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Well, I'll tell ya. For all the "illegal" things I've done to electronic
> > > equipment, I ought
> > > to be in jail for about 1000 years. In this business if you have to
> > > worry about every little
> > > alteration that is made, you not gonna get any sleep and you'll lose out
> > > on a number of jobs
> > > because of expense to buy original parts. If what you are saying is
> > > true, then I suggest that any time you replace a transistor with an ECG
> > > sub, you are also breaking the law for not installing the original part.
> > > The ECG might not have the same specs as the original and for heavens
> > > sakes could start a fire!!!!
> > >
> > > My theory is, that as long as you replace parts with same or better
> > > specs, even if you have to make alterations, you'll be doing you and
> > > your customer a favor. My customers are always very happy when I tell
> > > them that they have saved money or even saved there equipment from the
> > > scrap yard because of alterations I've made. Maybe where you are from
> > > there could be legal problems, but where I'm from, I've never heard of
> > > it.
> > > Tell me how a jumper on a microwave keypad ribbon cable is gonna cause a
> > > safety problem. You might be thinking something like, "well, if the
> > > connection comes loose and shorts out to another conductor causing the
> > > start button to be activated..." well, BS to that. My job would be neat
> > > and that wouldn't have a chance of happening.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Some of the things I've done that you wouldn't approve of are:
> > >
> > >
> > > -using a 9V motor in a cassette deck instead of a 12V, and installing my
> > > own 7809 voltage regulator to bring the B+ down to 9v to run the motor
> > >
> > > -taking the top plate off a bad magnetron and installing it on a
> > > replacement magnetron because the mounting tabs of the plate onf the
> > > replacement were oriented the wrong way.
> > >
> > > -jumpering 40 traces on a cracked TV main board instead of buying a new
> > > board
> > >
> > > -in a power supply, using two 2200uF capacitors in parallel instead of
> > > one 3900uF.
> > >
> > > - when a multiple winding transformer opened in a stereo receiver power
> > > supply, I install three separate transformers in order to make up all
> > > the required voltage outputs
> > >
> > > - plastic button array no longer available on a TV set- solution,
> > > install my own bank of push button switches instead
> > >
> > > -replace picture tubes with numbers that don't anywhere match the
> > > original
> > >
> > > -replace yokes with windings that are different than the original
> > >
> > > - replace relays with ones that did not match, sometimes have to drill
> > > new holes in circuit board to make them fit.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Is this enough, or are you having a heart attack by now?
> > >
> > >
> > > Next time, I might be writing you from jail.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Gary McCartney
> > >
> > > McCartney Electronics
> > > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > HSWAD@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All the things you are attempting to do are illegal. Purchase a proper
> >new
> > > > part or give it back to your customer. If you jury rig and it fails you
> >are
> > > > liable. 45 years experience here. Hollis
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 2/7/02 11:49:23 AM Eastern Standard
> >Time,
> > > > number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> > > >
> > > > << Subj: [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypad
> >ribbon
> > > > cable
> > > > Date: 2/7/02 11:49:23 AM Eastern Standard Time
> > > > From: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (Gary McCartney)
> > > > Sender: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Reply-to: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ya, I think I am pretty well screwed on this one. The conductors are
> >not
> > > > copper. They are some type of painted -on substance. I also can't dig
> > > > them out of the plastic. I've tried scraping and grinding and slicing,
> > > > but can't reveal the conductor. I haven't ripped the keypad away from
> > > > the plastic frame but I'm fairly sure that the ribbon cable and keypad
> > > > are all one piece.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the reply.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If anyone has some microwave keypads laying around that you are willing
> > > > to part with
> > > >
> > > > , I have posted a picture at:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.number63.ca/microwave.jpg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I do not anticipate at this point that there is any problem with the
> > > > control panel.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gary McCartney
> > > >
> > > > McCartney Electronics
> > > > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > > Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > > email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > J Silverman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If you can expose enough of the traces and if they are copper you may
> >be
> > > > > able to solder a jumper wire across the break. I have done this on
> > > > camcorder
> > > > > ribbon cables where there was lots of $ at stake. Sometimes the
> >copper is
> > > > so
> > > > > thin and narrow it just falls apart in the soldering. I dont believe
> >that a
> > > > > paint will work as there is no way to support the ribbon cable.
> >Sometimes I
> > > > > just remove the ribbon cable and replace the whole thing with wires.
> >If the
> > > > > buttons and ribbon cable are one piece that wont work for you.
> > > > > Jerry Silverman
> > > > > Greentron Inc
> > > > > 4 Newland Ave
> > > > > Greenville SC 29609
> > > > > 864 232 3889
> > > > > Fax 271 2080
> > > > > mailto:greentron@xxxxxxx
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Gary McCartney" <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:14 PM
> > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypad
> >ribbon
> > > > cable
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ken, many of the US 1-800 numbers will work from here. There are
> >some,
> > > > > > however that don't.
> > > > > > I have heard that there is an intermediate number that can be
> >called and
> > > > > > the charge is from the caller to the US border only. Not sure if it
> > > > > > works or not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This microwave is just a small one so the customer is not likely
> >gonna
> > > > > > want it fixed if I have to order a keypad, so either I have to
> >bridge
> > > > > > the trace in the flexible cable or forget it. I am experimenting
> >with
> > > > > > grinding the plastic with my dremel. May or may not work. Then if I
> >get
> > > > > > the trace bare, I'll get some of that rear window defogger repair
> > > > > > compound. I haven't had any luck with the rubber keypad repair kits
> >for
> > > > > > remotes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ya, the customer must have got his tools against the flex cable and
> > > > > > split it open because he sure did a winning job at re-installing
> >the
> > > > > > interlock switch. Looked like something Red Green would
> >attempt....duct
> > > > > > tape.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gary McCartney
> > > > > >
> > > > > > McCartney Electronics
> > > > > > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > > > > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > > > > Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > > > > email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > gulftech@xxxxxxxx wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gary,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Have never had any luck trying to fix a keypad. What a dork your
> > > > > > > customer is!!! The keypad peels off of the front panel. Clean
> >the
> > > > > > > residue well before applying the new one, or it will not be
> >smooth.
> > > > Try
> > > > > > > Global--see below.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ken,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have worked on microwaves for 10 years. That's the first time
> >I ever
> > > > > > > heard a magnetron referred to as a tube. Call Global
> >Micro-Parts,
> > > > > > > 1-800-325-8488. Please start a new post with a new topic. BTW,
> >you'll
> > > > > > > need a number of the magnetron.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gary-- Please don't laugh. This is a serious question. Do U.S.
> >800
> > > > > > > numbers work in Canada?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ken Smith
> > > > > > > Gulf Technical Services
> > > > > > > 3034 Gulf Breeze Parkway
> > > > > > > Gulf Breeze, FL 32563
> > > > > > > 850-934-8324 (Voice) 850-932-0819 (Fax)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 03:48:39 -0800 "Ken Dinckan"
> ><kdinckan@xxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > writes:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Gary
> > > > > > > > you can probably try that conductive material they use for the
> >worn
> > > > > > > > remote
> > > > > > > > control buttons.. I never tried but it might work just to give
> >you
> > > > > > > > idea..
> > > > > > > > See if it is helps
> > > > > > > > I just had one Emerson Microwave and Tube is gone and called
> >Fox
> > > > > > > > they want $97.80 plus shipping. This Emerson has bad repitation
> >for
> > > > > > > > me. So
> > > > > > > > do you have any used tubes laying around??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ken Dinckan
> > > > > > > > ALL Tv&Appliance Service
> > > > > > > > 2747 Roosevelt Street # B
> > > > > > > > Carlsbad CA, 92008
> > > > > > > > tel: (760)434-1131
> > > > > > > > fax: (760)434-8856
> > > > > > > > email to : kdinckan@xxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Gary McCartney" <number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 3:33 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [TechAssist] GE microwave, GSU0421B- sliced keypad
> >ribbon
> > > > > > > > cable
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have this microwave oven which the customer attempted to
> >repair
> > > > > > > > > himself. He had duct tape wound around the primary interlock
> > > > > > > > switch and
> > > > > > > > > the switch was busted. After I replaced the switch and
> >checked all
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > interlock switches, I plugged the oven in and wasn't able to
> > > > > > > > control the
> > > > > > > > > keypad except for the defrost and clear buttons. Then I
> >noticed
> > > > > > > > that 3
> > > > > > > > > traces in the flexable ribbon cable from the keypad to the
> >control
> > > > > > > > panel
> > > > > > > > > were sliced. Does anyone have a way of repairing this, other
> >than
> > > > > > > > > ordering a new keypad? The traces are sandwiched in plastic
> >and
> > > > > > > > they are
> > > > > > > > > made of that nasty un-solderable conductive material. I tried
> >to
> > > > > > > > scrape
> > > > > > > > > the plastic down to the traces but was not successful. Can
> >the
> > > > > > > > keypad be
> > > > > > > > > removed from the plastic front panel which it seems to be
> > > > > > > > permanently
> > > > > > > > > part of?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for any help.
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gary McCartney
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > McCartney Electronics
> > > > > > > > > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > > > > > > > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > > > > > > > Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > > > > > > > email: number63@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > McCartney Electronics
> > > 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
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