Hi Art. Very interesting. Change the 12v zener diode.could be d 927. That might be the problem. Cliff. Double Zero Electronics. The trouble shooter. sgt.cliff@xxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "art bevilacqua" <abevilac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:33 PM Subject: [TechAssist] FW: JVC AV31BM6 Weird Startup Problem > > > This set won't start up, but the deguasser relay clicks. I've traced > the on/off signal from the microprocessor: it's 4.7 volt on signal > passes through a 1K resistor and hits the "base" of two digital > transistors, Q922 to energize the 130Volt relay, and Q924 to switch 12V. > > > With an on command, the voltage downstream of the 1k resistor only gets > up to 1.3 volts, which seems to be enough to switch Q924, but is not > enough to pull Q922 in enough to pick up the relay (the collector only > gets down to 6 volts, leaving about 3 or 4 across the relay coil). > > If I short the collector of Q922 to ground for a second the relay picks > up > and the set runs perfectly: all power supply voltages are perfect and > picture and sound are perfect. > > If I only lift the base of Q924, the base of Q922 goes to 4.4 volts and > the > 130V relay picks up. If I only lift the base of Q922, the base of Q924 > is still 1.3. A small trace connects the 1K source resistor to both Q922 > and Q924 bases. > > The odd thing is that I've rotated the three digital transistors Q922, > Q924, and Q921 (degauss) into each other's positions on the board and > get the exact same response: Whichever of the three transistors is in > the Q924 position always seems to pull down the on/off signal - again, > regardless of which transistor is in place. > > The digital transistors are DTC114's (ECG 2355). We have some new ones > coming but this bugs me and I thought I check for anyone's other ideas. > > Thanks > > Art Bevilacqua > Essex Radio and TV > 40 Main Street > Essex, MA 01929 > > > > ------------------------------------------ > Submit A Repair Tip For Everyone Here: > http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.html > ------------------------------------------ > To REMOVE your email address, click here: > http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html > To CHANGE your email address, click here: > http://www.techassist.net/forms/change.html > > ------------------------------------------ Submit A Repair Tip For Everyone Here: http://www.tech-assist.org/secure/tip/main.html ------------------------------------------ To REMOVE your email address, click here: http://www.tech-assist.org/unsubb.html To CHANGE your email address, click here: http://www.techassist.net/forms/change.html