"Strange how they don't care if the hardware works or not." --- per G.M. Uh Gary....I don't think the piece of hardware is intended to be used/installed. They'd ship you a nail if there was a slot for it...... Damon Brunger Telrad Electronic Services Ft Wayne, IN 46815 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary McCartney" <gary@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 11:44 PM Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Computer problem | An OEM version has no retail box, just a thin booklet and the CD plus | the product key. OEM is meant to be sold to system builders rather than | directly to the public. Also, with OEM software, the manufacturer of the | software relinquishes the responsibility of waarranty or technical | support, by handing those over to the system builder. According to Ebay | rules, someone selling an OEM software must also include a piece of | hardware to go along with it. Strange how they don't care if the | hardware works or not. The hardware is supposed to be something that | installs inside the computer such as RAM or a hard drive or motherboard | but not an external peripheral such as a mouse or a USB cable. | | | | | Gary McCartney | | McCartney Electronics | Guelph Ontario Canada | Est. 1984 | email: gary (at) number63.ca | | | | | | | | Jerome Silverman wrote: | > | > If there is no difference why do the OEM versions sell on eBay for less | > than the standard version? I was assuming that the bidders knew what they | > were bidding on, which isnt always the case. | > I bid on a stepping motor driver card for something I am building. When the | > bidding got over $70 I dropped out. The "winner" got the card for $110. Then | > I got an email from the seller. He has a cyberstore on eBay and sells the | > card to anyone for $99. | > Jerry Silverman | > Greentron Inc | > 4 Newland Ave Greenville SC 29609 | > 864 232 3889 Fax 271 2080 | > greentron@xxxxxxx | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "Gary McCartney" <gary@xxxxxxxxxxx> | > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:05 PM | > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Computer problem | > | > > I've bought about 4 Windows XP Homes (OEM version) on Ebay. They all | > > were sealed and had the product key on the back of the plastic wrapping. | > > No problem installing or activating the software. The only problem I had | > > was one of these turned out to be meant for Gateway computer only. It | > > had "Gateway" printed on the CD, otherwise it was the same software on | > > the disc and again, no problem installing or activating the software. I | > > wasn't happy about the Gateway label though because it didn't look good | > > selling a computer not Gateway brand with a Gateway authorized CD. | > > Luckily, my friend bought the computer so no big deal. The ebay ad did | > > not signify that there was anything out of the ordinary with the disc | > > and even the photo was that of a standard XP Home package. I gave the | > > seller a neutral feedback for not revealing that about the item. | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > Gary McCartney | > > | > > McCartney Electronics | > > Guelph Ontario Canada | > > Est. 1984 | > > email: gary (at) number63.ca | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > > Jerome Silverman wrote: | > > > | > > > About a year ago when all this came up I went to the Microsoft site to | > check | > > > Specs, fine print, prices. XP Home was about $200 US, XP Pro was about | > $400, | > > > including a license to install on one computer. The OEM version comes | > > > without a license and is intended for people who assemble computers and | > buy | > > > the license in bulk. On eBay and other sites you see all sorts of combos | > and | > > > prices but the only one that does you any good is one in a sealed | > package | > > > with the product ID number. If it has been installed and registered you | > may | > > > have a problem with Microsoft when you register it again. If you buy an | > OEM | > > > version you will also have to buy a license to register it. | > > > Jerry Silverman | > > > Greentron Inc | > > > 4 Newland Ave Greenville SC 29609 | > > > 864 232 3889 Fax 271 2080 | > > > greentron@xxxxxxx | > > > ----- Original Message ----- | > > > From: "Bil Green" <tv.vcrrepair@xxxxxxxxxxx> | > > > To: "Tel-Tek Electronics" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 4:31 PM | > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Computer problem | > > > | > > > > $329?! XP Pro is only $150 or so (US) for the OEM version (same | > > > > as retail except that it won't upgrade another operating system). | > > > > You do have to shop around (such as using pricewatch.com) to | > > > > get good prices. | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > -- | > > > > Best regards, | > > > > | > > > > Bil Green | > > > > PC 1000 | > > > > Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546 | > > > > 760-924-1000 | > mailto:tv.vcrrepair@xxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > | > > > > Thursday, June 10, 2004, 11:05:51 AM, you wrote: | > > > > | > > > > TTE> $329 for XP Pro. | > > > > | > > > > TTE> -Ed- | > > > > TTE> Tel-Tek Electronics | > > > > TTE> Ontario-Canada | > > > > | > > > > TTE> teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > TTE> Ask me about the Tech Repair CD. | > > > > TTE> ----- Original Message ----- | > > > > TTE> From: "Jerome Silverman" <greentron@xxxxxxx> | > > > > TTE> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > > > > TTE> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:07 PM | > > > > TTE> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Computer problem | > > > > | > > > > | > > > > >> What do you consider overpriced? About a year ago I paid $79 US on | > > > eBay. | > > > > >> Jerry Silverman | > > > > >> Greentron Inc | > > > > >> 4 Newland Ave Greenville SC 29609 | > > > > >> 864 232 3889 Fax 271 2080 | > > > > >> greentron@xxxxxxx | > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- | > > > > >> From: "Tel-Tek" <teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx> | > > > > >> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:40 AM | > > > > >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Computer problem | > > > > >> | > > > > >> | > > > > >> > XP is very stable. But overpriced. Almost worth your effort to, | > if | > > > you | > > > > >> have | > > > > >> > an obsolete computer, to buy a new one, with XP Home installed. | > > > > >> > | > > > > >> > -Ed- | > > > > >> > | > > > > >> > Tel-Tek Electronics | > > > > >> > Ontario-Canada | > > > > >> > | > > > > >> > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- | > > > > >> > From: "Kevin" <kevintv@xxxxxxx> | > > > > >> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 10:20 PM | > > > > >> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Computer problem | > > > > >> > | > > > > >> > | > > > > >> > > Yes, I am still running 98. I get that 'Illegal operations' | > > > message | > > > > >> > > every so often, but I just ignore it and the computer keeps | > working | > > > > >> > > fine. I rarely get the BSOD. Is XP 100% stable? Other people | > > > have | > > > > >> > > complained about XP and tell me that if Windows 98 is working | > for | > > > me | > > > > TTE> to | > > > > >> > > just keep using it. What do you think? | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > Kevin Wilks | > > > > >> > > Kevin's TV & Video Repair | > > > > >> > > Penticton BC Canada | > > > > >> > > kevintv@xxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- | > > > > >> > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David | > Lessard | > > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:21 PM | > > > > >> > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Computer problem | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > Illegal operations? Are you still running 98 Kevin? Upgrade to | > XP. | > > > No | > > > > >> > > more BSOD (blue screen of death). At least you can close down a | > > > crash | > > > > >> > > application. | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > David Lessard | > > > > >> > > mr_fixit@xxxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- | > > > > >> > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin | > > > > >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:56 AM | > > > > >> > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Computer problem | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > I hate them because my computer is always doing illegal | > operations | > > > and | > > > > >> > > will be shut down. | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > I hate them because I have high speed cable internet and a 1 | > gig | > > > CPU, | > > > > >> > > but sometimes when I connect to the internet it is like I am | > back | > > > on | > > > > >> > > dial-up. | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > Any more reasons? | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > Kevin Wilks | > > > > >> > > Kevin's TV & Video Repair | > > > > >> > > Penticton BC Canada | > > > > >> > > kevintv@xxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- | > > > > >> > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David | > Lessard | > > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:50 AM | > > > > >> > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Computer problem | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > Kevin, | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > Repeat after me...Computers are my friend...Computers are my | > > > > >> > > friend...everything should work just fine now...:-) | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > David Lessard | > > > > >> > > Alexandria, Ontario | > > > > >> > > mr_fixit@xxxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- | > > > > >> > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tel-Tek | > > > > >> > > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 12:43 AM | > > > > >> > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Computer problem | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > Kevin; | > > > > >> > > If you hate them, they will know...and do all kinds of odd | > things | > > > for | > > > > >> > > you.;-) | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > -Ed- | > > > > >> > > Tel-Tek Electronics | > > > > >> > > Ontario-Canada | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > teltek3@xxxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- | > > > > >> > > From: "Kevin" <kevintv@xxxxxxx> | > > > > >> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> | > > > > >> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 7:10 PM | > > > > >> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Computer problem | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > | > > > > >> > > > I hate computers all the time! | > > > > >> > > > | > > > > >> > > > Kevin Wilks | > > > > >> > > > Kevin's TV & Video Repair | > > > > >> > > > Penticton BC Canada | > > > > >> > > > kevintv@xxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > > | > > > > >> > > > | > > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- | > > > > >> > > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of | > > > > >> > > gulftech@xxxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:21 PM | > > > > >> > > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | > > > > >> > > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Computer problem | > > > > >> > > > | > > > > >> > > > Jim, | > > > > >> > > > | > > > > >> > > > I have done that. That program is gone, but it came with | > > > add-ons, | > > > > >> > > that | > > > > >> > > > appear to be the problem. I need to know what wcpsvsu is. | > > > > >> > > > | > > > > >> > > > Sometimes, I hate computers! | > > > > >> > > > | > > > > >> > > > | > > > > >> > > > Ken Smith | > > > > >> > > > Gulf Technical Services | > > > > >> > > > 3034 Gulf Breeze Parkway | > > > > >> > > > Gulf Breeze, FL 32563 | > > > > >> > > > 850-934-8324 (Voice) 850-932-0819 (Fax) | > > > > >> > > > | > > > > >> > > > | > > > > >> > > > On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:10:28 -0500 Jim Myers | > > > <jr.myers@xxxxxxxxxxx> | > > > > >> > > > writes: | > > > > >> > > > > Try uninstalling the time check program in windows control | > > > panel | > > > > >> > > > > add/remove programs. | > > > > >> > > > > | > > > > >> > > > | > > > > >> > > | > > > > TTE> | > > > ************************************************************************ | > > > > >> > > > * | > > > > >> > > > ****************************************** | > > > > >> > > > > Since 1972 | > > > > >> > > > > Jim Myers | > > > > >> > > > > Telrad Electronics | > > > > >> > > > > Fort Wayne, Indiana | > > > > >> > > > > | > > > > >> > > > > | > > > > >> > > > > gulftech@xxxxxxxx wrote: | > > > > >> > > > > > I somehow loaded a program I did not wish to do. It was | > > > "Time | > > > > >> > > > > Check" or | > > > > >> > > > > > something like that. Since then, my computer has been | > > > squirley. | > > > > >> > > > > I wish | > > > > >> > > > > > I could be more specific, but to be more specific, I | > would | > > > have | > > > > TTE> to | > > > > >> > > > > > restart and then fool with things to get my selected | > programs | > > > to | > > > > >> > > > > appear | > > > > >> > > > > > on the bottom of the screen. Sometimes, all the icons on | > my | > > > > >> > > screen | > > > > >> > > > > > disappear. | > > > > >> > > > > > | > > > > >> > > > > > I am able to use the computer, but get the message | > "wcpsvsu | > > > not | > > > > >> > > > > > responding." Can someone tell me what that is, and a | > remedy | > > > for | > > > > >> > > > > it? | > > > > >> > > > > > | > > > > >> > > > > > TIA, | > > > > >> > > > > > | > > > > >> > > > > > | > > > > >> > > > > > Ken Smith | > > > > >> > > > > > Gulf Technical Services | > > > > >> > > > > > 3034 Gulf Breeze Parkway | > > > > >> > > > > > Gulf Breeze, FL 32563 | > > > > >> > > > > > 850-934-8324 (Voice) 850-932-0819 (Fax) | > > > > >> > > > > > | > > > > >> > > > > > | > > > > >> > > > > > | > > > ________________________________________________________________ | > > > > >> > > > > > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno | > SpeedBand! | > > > > >> > > > > > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! | > > > > >> > > > > > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! | > > > > >> > > > > > | > > > > >> > > > > > | > > > > >> > > > > | > > > > >> > > > | > > > > >> > | > > > > | > > > | > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | > > > > >> > > > - | > > > > >> > > > ---- | > > > > >> > > > > > Lost Password: | > > > > >> > > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". | > > > > >> > > > > > Email Archives: | > > > > >> > > > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ | > > > > >> > > > > > | > > > > >> > > > > | > > > > >> > > > > | > > > > >> > > > | > > > > >> > | > > > > | > > > | > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | > > > > >> > > > - | > > > > >> > > > ---- | > > > > >> > > > > Lost Password: | > > > > >> > > > > http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". | > > > > >> > > > > Email Archives: | > > > > >> > > > > //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/ | > > > > >> > > > > | > > > > >> > > > | > > > > >> > > > | > > > > >> > > > | > ________________________________________________________________ | > > > > >> > > > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! | > > > > >> > > > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! | > > > > >> > > > Only $14.95/ month - 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