The problem you have is that we are trying to create a specific situation, which creates facilities for cyclists. As I understand it, the new TSRGD will not make it an offence, but are we going to tell people, not pygmalion likely. Most people will react as if the first stopline were legal, so the junction design should be designed to accord with that. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ********************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug or contact peter.bull@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx