[tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012

  • From: James Dougherty <jafrado@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: James Dougherty <jafrado@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 07:35:10 -0800

By the way, good analogy on Scuba...
when I was PADI certified, I would see instructors taking out lots of people

But that was south Florida, you wouldn't do that  in the bay area in all cases 
- its murkier than hell! 

Same thing with lots of people out there - murky!

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 8, 2012, at 7:28 AM, James Dougherty <jafrado@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I see your point, but the outcome would be mobs of people, thereby 
> exacerbating the problem
> 
> Spectator area
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 8, 2012, at 1:43 AM, Owen DeLong <owen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> I think requiring them to be escorted/supervised is reasonable.
>> 
>> I think limiting it to 2 supervisees per certified supervisor, OTOH, is 
>> questionable.
>> 
>> As a SCUBA instructor I can easily supervise 4 brand new divers in Open 
>> Water with limited visibility. Supervising more than 2 uncertified 
>> assistants on a rocket range can easily and safely be done so long as they 
>> are properly briefed before entering the range.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 12:42 AM, James Dougherty wrote:
>> 
>>> Both the rules are good ones
>>> 
>>> There's no point in having someone who doesn't understand (or even care) 
>>> about the Tripoli safety codes out on the range.
>>> 
>>> For those of you who own firearms, this is why you dont let your comrades 
>>> traipse about on the range during a live fire exercise in adjacent ranges, 
>>> and dont even let the weapon in someones hand - you shut the whole range 
>>> down to prevent ricochet or misfires 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The change seems specifically targeted at what you can use to light a 
>>>> motor and it makes sense. It seems to me that (although I would say it's 
>>>> still dangerous) you are also still allowed to use those switches to 
>>>> activate recovery pyrotechnics or anything else so long as it isn't 
>>>> lighting a motor.
>>>> 
>>>> It's a shame someone had to get injured to call attention to the hazards 
>>>> of this type of ignition system, but, really, it is a dangerous way to 
>>>> light motors and I think it's a good rule change.
>>>> 
>>>> OTOH, the updated spectator rule is unnecessary and I believe the existing 
>>>> rules were adequate and had they been followed, there wouldn't be an issue 
>>>> with "someone riding a bike that had no business being there just stopped 
>>>> by to see what was happening".
>>>> 
>>>> Just my $0.02.
>>>> 
>>>> Owen
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Karl Baumheckel wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> That is a good question.  I would say that you could still use a 
>>>>> breakwire for timer activation.  And in my opinion this is a more 
>>>>> reliable method than the G switch for what it's worth.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: "SCOTT B" <triptechb@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 2:15:59 PM
>>>>> Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would this include activation of avionics using a breakwire for low 
>>>>> speed/g-force launches, or just using breakwires for lighting motors? 
>>>>> Scotty B.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --- On Tue, 2/7/12, AiRobert <airobert@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: AiRobert <airobert@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012
>>>>> To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 11:01 AM
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes these are switches used to for launch detect to start a second stage.
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>> [mailto:tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gene Engelgau
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:58 AM
>>>>> To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012
>>>>>  
>>>>> I think a launch controller is a type of ignition system.  They may be 
>>>>> referring to cluster and staging ignition?  But yes, the TCC controller 
>>>>> is great as is...
>>>>>  
>>>>> -G
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Jack Garibaldi <jackgaribaldi@xxxxxxx> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I still haven’t read it all but either way our launch system does not use 
>>>>> none of these
>>>>>  
>>>>> Jack G
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>>> [mailto:tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gene Engelgau
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:57 AM
>>>>> To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012
>>>>>  
>>>>> It references the switched in regards to motor ignition and seems to 
>>>>> refer to the launch controller:
>>>>>  
>>>>> 2-12.6 A rocket motor shall not be ignited by any of the following:
>>>>> a. A switch that uses mercury.
>>>>> b. “Pull wires” that disconnect or complete a circuit.
>>>>> c. “Pressure roller” switches
>>>>>  
>>>>> ----
>>>>>  
>>>>> It does not make reference to av-bar arming switches.
>>>>>  
>>>>> -G
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Jack Garibaldi <jackgaribaldi@xxxxxxx> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hey All I have attached the 2012 Tripoli sanctioned rules and we are a 
>>>>> Tripoli club so everyone needs to read them, print them carry them or 
>>>>> however you want to help enforce and use our newest rules, I will get 
>>>>> time this week to really study them but I noticed a couple of quick ones 
>>>>> like
>>>>>  
>>>>> Section 2-18 Participation now reads in part:
>>>>> "Non-HPR Fliers are allowed in the High Power Launch Area if escorted by
>>>>> a HPR Flier. A HPR Flier may escort and be accompanied by not more than
>>>>> two (2) non-HPR fliers in the High Power Launch Area. The HPR flier
>>>>> escort is required to monitor the actions of the escorted non-HPR
>>>>> fliers, and the escort is fully responsible for those actions and for
>>>>> the safety of those escorted."
>>>>>  
>>>>> There are other changes.  For example, the use of mercury switches, pull
>>>>> wires, and roller switches have now been banned.  This means there are
>>>>> various products by different manufactures that can no longer be used
>>>>> for air-starts.
>>>>>  
>>>>>  
>>>>> I don’t want to due a review until I have had time to look the complete 
>>>>> pages over.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Jack G
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> --
>>>>> - Regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gene Engelgau
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> --
>>>>> - Regards
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gene Engelgau
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