I think requiring them to be escorted/supervised is reasonable. I think limiting it to 2 supervisees per certified supervisor, OTOH, is questionable. As a SCUBA instructor I can easily supervise 4 brand new divers in Open Water with limited visibility. Supervising more than 2 uncertified assistants on a rocket range can easily and safely be done so long as they are properly briefed before entering the range. Owen On Feb 8, 2012, at 12:42 AM, James Dougherty wrote: > Both the rules are good ones > > There's no point in having someone who doesn't understand (or even care) > about the Tripoli safety codes out on the range. > > For those of you who own firearms, this is why you dont let your comrades > traipse about on the range during a live fire exercise in adjacent ranges, > and dont even let the weapon in someones hand - you shut the whole range down > to prevent ricochet or misfires > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> The change seems specifically targeted at what you can use to light a motor >> and it makes sense. It seems to me that (although I would say it's still >> dangerous) you are also still allowed to use those switches to activate >> recovery pyrotechnics or anything else so long as it isn't lighting a motor. >> >> It's a shame someone had to get injured to call attention to the hazards of >> this type of ignition system, but, really, it is a dangerous way to light >> motors and I think it's a good rule change. >> >> OTOH, the updated spectator rule is unnecessary and I believe the existing >> rules were adequate and had they been followed, there wouldn't be an issue >> with "someone riding a bike that had no business being there just stopped by >> to see what was happening". >> >> Just my $0.02. >> >> Owen >> >> On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Karl Baumheckel wrote: >> >>> That is a good question. I would say that you could still use a breakwire >>> for timer activation. And in my opinion this is a more reliable method >>> than the G switch for what it's worth. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "SCOTT B" <triptechb@xxxxxxxxx> >>> To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 2:15:59 PM >>> Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012 >>> >>> Would this include activation of avionics using a breakwire for low >>> speed/g-force launches, or just using breakwires for lighting motors? >>> Scotty B. >>> >>> --- On Tue, 2/7/12, AiRobert <airobert@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> From: AiRobert <airobert@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012 >>> To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 11:01 AM >>> >>> Yes these are switches used to for launch detect to start a second stage. >>> >>> From: tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gene Engelgau >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:58 AM >>> To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012 >>> >>> I think a launch controller is a type of ignition system. They may be >>> referring to cluster and staging ignition? But yes, the TCC controller is >>> great as is... >>> >>> -G >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Jack Garibaldi <jackgaribaldi@xxxxxxx> >>> wrote: >>> I still haven’t read it all but either way our launch system does not use >>> none of these >>> >>> Jack G >>> >>> From: tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gene Engelgau >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:57 AM >>> To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012 >>> >>> It references the switched in regards to motor ignition and seems to refer >>> to the launch controller: >>> >>> 2-12.6 A rocket motor shall not be ignited by any of the following: >>> a. A switch that uses mercury. >>> b. “Pull wires” that disconnect or complete a circuit. >>> c. “Pressure roller” switches >>> >>> ---- >>> >>> It does not make reference to av-bar arming switches. >>> >>> -G >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Jack Garibaldi <jackgaribaldi@xxxxxxx> >>> wrote: >>> Hey All I have attached the 2012 Tripoli sanctioned rules and we are a >>> Tripoli club so everyone needs to read them, print them carry them or >>> however you want to help enforce and use our newest rules, I will get time >>> this week to really study them but I noticed a couple of quick ones like >>> >>> Section 2-18 Participation now reads in part: >>> "Non-HPR Fliers are allowed in the High Power Launch Area if escorted by >>> a HPR Flier. A HPR Flier may escort and be accompanied by not more than >>> two (2) non-HPR fliers in the High Power Launch Area. The HPR flier >>> escort is required to monitor the actions of the escorted non-HPR >>> fliers, and the escort is fully responsible for those actions and for >>> the safety of those escorted." >>> >>> There are other changes. For example, the use of mercury switches, pull >>> wires, and roller switches have now been banned. This means there are >>> various products by different manufactures that can no longer be used >>> for air-starts. >>> >>> >>> I don’t want to due a review until I have had time to look the complete >>> pages over. >>> >>> Jack G >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - Regards >>> >>> Gene Engelgau >>> KI6IBL, NAR 86770 / TRA 12243 - L3 >>> http://fruitychutes.com - Consumer and Aerospace Recovery Solutions >>> Like us on Facebook! >>> Follow us on Twitter! >>> 408-499-9050 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - Regards >>> >>> Gene Engelgau >>> KI6IBL, NAR 86770 / TRA 12243 - L3 >>> http://fruitychutes.com - Consumer and Aerospace Recovery Solutions >>> Like us on Facebook! >>> Follow us on Twitter! >>> 408-499-9050 >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4193 - Release Date: 02/06/12 >>> 19:34:00 >>