Interpretate as you will but anyone bringing up a rocket that a motor will be lit by a pull pin, mercury switch or pressure roller will not be able to fly it at TCC try not to put more into it than what is written. Jack G From: tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Karl Baumheckel Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:08 PM To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012 It is probably not safe to have electronics ignite a second stage HPR motor that doesn't have a minimum altitude arm feature. Not only that but the electronics should not be armed until the complex rocket is in the upright position and should be unarmed before laying down the rocket. By the way, you make a great point James. Karl _____ From: "James Eadie" <eadiefx@xxxxxxxxx> To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 7:27:56 PM Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012 The safety code isn’t worded very well. I think what Tripoli intended to say (as touched upon by Owen) is that break wires may not be used to arm electronics which in turn ignite motors. We all know a broken wire in itself is not going to ignite a motor. James Eadie From: tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Garibaldi Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:46 PM To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012 Under 2-12.6 it says A Rocket Motor Shall not be ignited by any of the following not electronics or av bay activation or timer activation A Rocket Motor Jack G From: tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Karl Baumheckel Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:23 PM To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012 That is a good question. I would say that you could still use a breakwire for timer activation. And in my opinion this is a more reliable method than the G switch for what it's worth. _____ From: "SCOTT B" <triptechb@xxxxxxxxx> To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 2:15:59 PM Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012 Would this include activation of avionics using a breakwire for low speed/g-force launches, or just using breakwires for lighting motors? Scotty B. --- On Tue, 2/7/12, AiRobert <airobert@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: AiRobert <airobert@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012 To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 11:01 AM Yes these are switches used to for launch detect to start a second stage. _____ From: tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gene Engelgau Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:58 AM To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012 I think a launch controller is a type of ignition system. They may be referring to cluster and staging ignition? But yes, the TCC controller is great as is... -G On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:24 AM, Jack Garibaldi <jackgaribaldi@xxxxxxx <about:blank> > wrote: I still haven’t read it all but either way our launch system does not use none of these Jack G From: tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <about:blank> [mailto:tccrockets-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <about:blank> ] On Behalf Of Gene Engelgau Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:57 AM To: tccrockets@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <about:blank> Subject: [tccrockets] Re: Tripoli Rules 2012 It references the switched in regards to motor ignition and seems to refer to the launch controller: 2-12.6 A rocket motor shall not be ignited by any of the following: a. A switch that uses mercury. b. “Pull wires” that disconnect or complete a circuit. c. “Pressure roller” switches ---- It does not make reference to av-bar arming switches. -G On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Jack Garibaldi <jackgaribaldi@xxxxxxx <about:blank> > wrote: Hey All I have attached the 2012 Tripoli sanctioned rules and we are a Tripoli club so everyone needs to read them, print them carry them or however you want to help enforce and use our newest rules, I will get time this week to really study them but I noticed a couple of quick ones like Section 2-18 Participation now reads in part: "Non-HPR Fliers are allowed in the High Power Launch Area if escorted by a HPR Flier. A HPR Flier may escort and be accompanied by not more than two (2) non-HPR fliers in the High Power Launch Area. The HPR flier escort is required to monitor the actions of the escorted non-HPR fliers, and the escort is fully responsible for those actions and for the safety of those escorted." There are other changes. For example, the use of mercury switches, pull wires, and roller switches have now been banned. This means there are various products by different manufactures that can no longer be used for air-starts. I don’t want to due a review until I have had time to look the complete pages over. Jack G -- - Regards Gene Engelgau KI6IBL, NAR 86770 / TRA 12243 - L3 <http://fruitychutes.com/> http://fruitychutes.com - Consumer and Aerospace Recovery Solutions Like us on Facebook! <http://www.facebook.com/fruitychutes> <http://twitter.com/fruitychutes/> Follow us on Twitter! 408-499-9050 -- - Regards Gene Engelgau KI6IBL, NAR 86770 / TRA 12243 - L3 <http://fruitychutes.com/> http://fruitychutes.com - Consumer and Aerospace Recovery Solutions Like us on Facebook! <http://www.facebook.com/fruitychutes> <http://twitter.com/fruitychutes/> Follow us on Twitter! 408-499-9050 No virus found in this incoming message. 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