[tcb] Re: turbo's
- From: "Eric Woodall" <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:54:43 -0600 (CST)
LOL Denis made a funny...
Denis Dodson said:
> Brianstein, I think that you are looking for a whole bunch of complication
> with a turbo. What you might want to look into is nuclear fusion. Not
> fission with all the waste problems that you will have for the next
> 250,000
> years and all that radioactivity messing up your hair and all, but
> fission,
> where all you will get is heat and light. The Sun does it everyday,
> compressing hydrogen until it becomes helium, but you will be saving money
> by using seawater as fuel. You might have a problem with the containment
> of
> the 1,000,000 plus degrees of heat, but I think it can be done with
> magnets.
> You might not be able to have that much heat in the engine compartment
> because of the problem with the #3 cylinder. You might have to pull it
> behind your bus with a small trailer and use really really good oil.
>
> See the article at http/ohmygodthechinasyndrome.huh? or
> http//snowballschanceinhell.ohno.
>
> I think putting in a Subaru motor is easier.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will Wood" <evilscientistboo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:33 PM
> Subject: [tcb] Re: turbo's
>
>
>> The only idea for keeping it out of the engine compartment is to keep
>> the engine cooling air temps down. You have that big fan sucking air
>> from the ducts, if the turbo is in there with the exhaust ducting you're
>> adding a lot of surface area that's 100s of degrees. More hot air for
>> the engine to deal with.
>>
>> A belt driven supercharger OTOH doesn't require the exhaust ducting.
>> You then just have the intercooler plumbing to worry about.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2007-12-28 at 12:26 -0600, Brian Denning wrote:
>>> the idea is to mount the blow through turbo under the rear apron that
>>> way it is under the bus and not in the engine compartment...the only
>>> thing that would be in the compartment would be the fresh air
>>> hoses...there is plenty of room to run an intercooler on one side of
>>> the engine compartment but the question there is how do you get water
>>> to flow in it? then do you have to have a radiator to cool the water?
>>> what about an electric fan and do an air to air intercooler?
>>>
>>> efi is a definate future for the bus...just would rather it be in the
>>> far future than the near future. using the true full flow that i have
>>> i could easily run an external oil cooler to help with engine temps so
>>> the only worry left is the cht's.
>>>
>>> the ol' pockets have a hole in them so i have been reading alot on the
>>> junkyard builds that are on the world wide web. it seems very
>>> plausible the question is what do i need to look out for besides the
>>> obvious engine temp problem.
>>>
>>> how much would it increase my temps by if i kept the turbo part out of
>>> the engine compartment? (which is the plan)
>>>
>>> > Subject: [tcb] Re: turbo's
>>> > From: evilscientistboo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:18:18 -0600
>>> >
>>> > Brian,
>>> >
>>> > I would leave it this way.... I've built a few engines, including
>>> ones
>>> > with turbos. Unless I was building something for the track I'd avoid
>>> > it, in a bus, especially for the street.
>>> >
>>> > Anytime you compress a gas, it induces heat in the gas... (Molecules
>>> > bumpin uglies). Unless you can dissapate that heat you'll have a
>>> hot,
>>> > thin (low density) air charge going into the engine. More heat in =
>>> > more heat out and in an aircooled engine that can be a problem.
>>> >
>>> > I'm not saying it can't or shouldn't be done, but how deep are your
>>> > pockets? If it were me, EFI, Intercooler (air to water) and an
>>> > aerocharger style with the turbo kept low and out of the engine
>>> > compartment.
>>> >
>>> > I'd start by reading some of the books out there.
>>> >
>>> > If you want some simple examples..
>>> >
>>> > http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/turbo/turboflow.html
>>> >
>>> > Now, since you have a bay. Here's a simpler route to go IMO..
>>> >
>>> > This would be my inspiration... ;-)
>>> >
>>> > http://www.race-taxi.ch/
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://video.aol.com/video-detail/vw-t1-biturbo-porsche-993-racing-in-spa/751231475
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, 2007-12-28 at 09:23 -0600, Brian Denning wrote:
>>> > > which is why i wanted those who know about turbo's to send me a pm
>>> > > cause i figured those who don't may post something dumb...oh wait
>>> > > someone just did.
>>> > >
>>> > > added torque at top end, better gas mileage if you stay out of it,
>>> > > more power, hmmm all things that a bus needs...yep, it's retarded
>>> > >
>>> > > > Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:49:19 -0600
>>> > > > Subject: [tcb] Re: turbo's
>>> > > > From: eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > > > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > > >
>>> > > > turbo buses are retarded.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Brian Denning said:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > who knows about 'em??? pm me i have a couple of small
>>> questions
>>> > > about the
>>> > > > > install.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > no, it's not being done yet but i'm going shopping on saturday
>>> at
>>> > > the pick
>>> > > > > and pull.
>>> > > > >
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