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tcb Digest Thu, 22 Jul 2010 Volume: 07 Issue: 194 In This Issue: [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump [tcb]>] Re: Deep oil sump [tcb] Re:>] Re: Deep oil sump [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:24:15 -0500 From: Eric Thomas Woodall<ericthomaswoodall@xxxxxxx> Subject: [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump Yes, and its been that way for decades. Tracy wrote:It’s a damn shame too because once upon a time European Motor Parts Importers was the sh!t. Now EMPI stands for cheap Chinese piece of crap… *From:* tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *sammie smith *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:44 PM *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump I hate to say this; but most of the current Empi stuff is junk. For the most part it is Chinese copies of original stuff. I have come to the conclusion the Chinese can't reproduce anything according to specs. I avoid using Empi stuff whenever possible. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Ronnie Hughes<fracdogii@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Wed, July 21, 2010 10:21:54 AM *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump Dan is correct. The last two EMPI ones I bought required extensive grinding to make room for the bolts to attach to the engine. I even used socket head cap screws to help. The last one I bought could not be modified enough to make it useful. It's still in my parts box if anyone wants it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Dan Martin<danandkatrinamartin@xxxxxxx> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Wed, July 21, 2010 8:10:48 AM *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump I run this one: http://www.geneberg.com/product_info.php?cPath=5_105_2726&products_id=438 Some of the empi ones I looked at were junk (buyer beware) It has never hit anything. On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:17 AM, Julie wrote:The '68 Bus of mine is homemade camper, a one of a kind which is coolbut it is much heavier than let's say a Westy. It has been suggested to me to perhaps add a deep oil sump, with the idea being that more oil will help the engine that will be working hard moving such a heavy beast stay cooler. Do you think it is a good idea?When talking to my local parts guy he wanted to make sure that I amaware that the deep oil sump adds up to 2 3/4" to the bottom of the engine. There are some choices that are thinner but then hold less extra oil. Should I be worried about extending the engine closer to the ground? I don't imagine doing any crazy off roading adventures with this Bus, it is currently in not-so-great-a-shape so it is odd just imagining it moving at all.Julie------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:01:38 -0700 (PDT) From: sammie smith<bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [tcb]>] Re: Deep oil sump Yep. I just had the tranny rebuilt for the baja, it cratered the main shaft bearing bad after a lot of miles of service. While it was out I thought I would replace the shift coupler with a new one, so I told them to throw in a new shift coupler when they brought the tranny to me, thinking I would get a good old german new shift coupler. What they sent was an EMPI repop. It was such a piece of trash that I would not even think of putting it on a car. It went in the scrap pile and I just used the original coupler that was already in the car and the EMPI went in the scrap pile. I did take it out of the package and tested to see if it would even fit on the shaft of the tranny, guess what, it was too small to even slip on the shaft of the tranny. ________________________________ From: Eric Thomas Woodall<ericthomaswoodall@xxxxxxx> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 7:24:15 AM Subject: [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump Yes, and its been that way for decades. Tracy wrote:It’s a damn shame too because once upon a time European Motor Parts Importers was the sh!t.  Now EMPI stands for cheap Chinese piece of crap…    *From:* tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *sammie smith *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:44 PM *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump  I hate to say this; but most of the current Empi stuff is junk. For the most part it is Chinese copies of original stuff. I have come to the conclusion the Chinese can't reproduce anything according to specs. I avoid using Empi stuff whenever possible.  ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Ronnie Hughes<fracdogii@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Wed, July 21, 2010 10:21:54 AM *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump Dan is correct. The last two EMPI ones I bought required extensive grinding to make room for the bolts to attach to the engine. I even used socket head cap screws to help. The last one I bought could not be modified enough to make it useful. It's still in my parts box if anyone wants it.  ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Dan Martin<danandkatrinamartin@xxxxxxx> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Wed, July 21, 2010 8:10:48 AM *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump I run this one: http://www.geneberg.com/product_info.php?cPath=5_105_2726&products_idC8 Some of the empi ones I looked at were junk (buyer beware) It has never hit anything. On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:17 AM, Julie wrote:The '68 Bus of mine is homemade camper, a one of a kind which is coolbut it is much heavier than let's say a Westy. It has been suggested to me to perhaps add a deep oil sump, with the idea being that more oil will help the engine that will be working hard moving such a heavy beast stay cooler. Do you think it is a good idea?When talking to my local parts guy he wanted to make sure that I amaware that the deep oil sump adds up to 2 3/4" to the bottom of the engine. There are some choices that are thinner but then hold less extra oil. Should I be worried about extending the engine closer to the ground? I don't imagine doing any crazy off roading adventures with this Bus, it is currently in not-so-great-a-shape so it is odd just imagining it moving at all.JulieÂ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 8:27:24 -0500 From:<sgarvie@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [tcb] Re:>] Re: Deep oil sump True, no doubt, and I have a few stories of crappy quality, too. But don't forget that EMPI does fill a need -- meaning they DO have many parts that are serviceable and useful. Definitely not the best quality, but without EMPI around, it would be much more difficult and more expensive to resurrect and modify our VW's. For example -- the rear disc brake kit on my bus is a pretty doggone nice setup -- and at less than $400, it's a pretty good deal. It's a "custom fit" kit, which means -- I did have to do some Customizing to make it fit. I had to shim the calipers a bit and I had to make a little guide for the e-brake. Not a big deal for me, but others may think that's unacceptable. It fits good, and tucks nice, so wheel fitment is not a problem. The other option is a Porsche 944 rear setup, which is complicated, expensive, and adds width to the rear track. I keep an eye out for the crappy stuff, but I'm glad EMPI is still around. Scotty ---- sammie smith<bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Yep. I just had the tranny rebuilt for the baja, it cratered the main shaftbearing bad after a lot of miles of service. While it was out I thought I would replace the shift coupler with a new one, so I told them to throw in a new shift coupler when they brought the tranny to me, thinking I would get a good old german new shift coupler. What they sent was an EMPI repop. It was such a piece of trash that I would not even think of putting it on a car. It went in the scrap pile and I just used the original coupler that was already in the car and the EMPI went in the scrap pile. I did take it out of the package and tested to see if it would even fit on the shaft of the tranny, guess what, it was too small to even slip on the shaft of the tranny. ________________________________ From: Eric Thomas Woodall<ericthomaswoodall@xxxxxxx> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thu, July 22, 2010 7:24:15 AM Subject: [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump Yes, and its been that way for decades. Tracy wrote:It’s a damn shame too because once upon a time European Motor Parts Importers was the sh!t.  Now EMPI stands for cheap Chinese piece of crap…    *From:* tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *sammie smith *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:44 PM *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump  I hate to say this; but most of the current Empi stuff is junk. For the most part it is Chinese copies of original stuff. I have come to the conclusion the Chinese can't reproduce anything according to specs. I avoid using Empi stuff whenever possible.  ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Ronnie Hughes<fracdogii@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Wed, July 21, 2010 10:21:54 AM *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump Dan is correct. The last two EMPI ones I bought required extensive grinding to make room for the bolts to attach to the engine. I even used socket head cap screws to help. The last one I bought could not be modified enough to make it useful. It's still in my parts box if anyone wants it.  ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Dan Martin<danandkatrinamartin@xxxxxxx> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Wed, July 21, 2010 8:10:48 AM *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump I run this one: http://www.geneberg.com/product_info.php?cPath=5_105_2726&products_id=438 Some of the empi ones I looked at were junk (buyer beware) It has never hit anything. On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:17 AM, Julie wrote:The '68 Bus of mine is homemade camper, a one of a kind which is coolbut it is much heavier than let's say a Westy. It has been suggested to me to perhaps add a deep oil sump, with the idea being that more oil will help the engine that will be working hard moving such a heavy beast stay cooler. Do you think it is a good idea?When talking to my local parts guy he wanted to make sure that I amaware that the deep oil sump adds up to 2 3/4" to the bottom of the engine. There are some choices that are thinner but then hold less extra oil. Should I be worried about extending the engine closer to the ground? I don't imagine doing any crazy off roading adventures with this Bus, it is currently in not-so-great-a-shape so it is odd just imagining it moving at all.JulieÂ------------------------------ From: "Tracy"<pepsifreek@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:13:07 -0500 Well then, that gives a bit of a clue as to how old I am. =^) -----Original Message----- From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Thomas Woodall Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:24 AM To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump Yes, and its been that way for decades. Tracy wrote:It’s a damn shame too because once upon a time European Motor Parts Importers was the sh!t. Now EMPI stands for cheap Chinese piece of crap… *From:* tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *sammie smith *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:44 PM *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump I hate to say this; but most of the current Empi stuff is junk. For the most part it is Chinese copies of original stuff. I have come to the conclusion the Chinese can't reproduce anything according to specs. I avoid using Empi stuff whenever possible. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Ronnie Hughes<fracdogii@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Wed, July 21, 2010 10:21:54 AM *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump Dan is correct. The last two EMPI ones I bought required extensive grinding to make room for the bolts to attach to the engine. I even used socket head cap screws to help. The last one I bought could not be modified enough to make it useful. It's still in my parts box if anyone wants it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Dan Martin<danandkatrinamartin@xxxxxxx> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Wed, July 21, 2010 8:10:48 AM *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump I run this one: http://www.geneberg.com/product_info.php?cPath=5_105_2726&products_id=438 Some of the empi ones I looked at were junk (buyer beware) It has never hit anything. On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:17 AM, Julie wrote:The '68 Bus of mine is homemade camper, a one of a kind which is coolbut it is much heavier than let's say a Westy. It has been suggested to me to perhaps add a deep oil sump, with the idea being that more oil will help the engine that will be working hard moving such a heavy beast stay cooler. Do you think it is a good idea?When talking to my local parts guy he wanted to make sure that I amaware that the deep oil sump adds up to 2 3/4" to the bottom of the engine. There are some choices that are thinner but then hold less extra oil. Should I be worried about extending the engine closer to the ground? I don't imagine doing any crazy off roading adventures with this Bus, it is currently in not-so-great-a-shape so it is odd just imagining it moving at all.Julie------------------------------ From: Julie<julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:12:30 -0500 Thanks all you TCBers for the words of wisdom about deep oil sumps! On Jul 22, 2010, at 7:13 PM, "Tracy"<pepsifreek@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Well then, that gives a bit of a clue as to how old I am. =^) -----Original Message----- From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Thomas Woodall Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:24 AM To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump Yes, and its been that way for decades. Tracy wrote:It’s a damn shame too because once upon a time European Motor Parts Importers was the sh!t. Now EMPI stands for cheap Chinese piece of crap… *From:* tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *sammie smith *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:44 PM *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump I hate to say this; but most of the current Empi stuff is junk. For the most part it is Chinese copies of original stuff. I have come to the conclusion the Chinese can't reproduce anything according to specs. I avoid using Empi stuff whenever possible. --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- *From:* Ronnie Hughes<fracdogii@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Wed, July 21, 2010 10:21:54 AM *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump Dan is correct. The last two EMPI ones I bought required extensive grinding to make room for the bolts to attach to the engine. I even used socket head cap screws to help. The last one I bought could not be modified enough to make it useful. It's still in my parts box if anyone wants it. --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- *From:* Dan Martin<danandkatrinamartin@xxxxxxx> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Wed, July 21, 2010 8:10:48 AM *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump I run this one: http://www.geneberg.com/product_info.php?cPath=5_105_2726&products_id=438 Some of the empi ones I looked at were junk (buyer beware) It has never hit anything. On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:17 AM, Julie wrote:The '68 Bus of mine is homemade camper, a one of a kind which is coolbut it is much heavier than let's say a Westy. It has been suggested to me to perhaps add a deep oil sump, with the idea being that more oil will help the engine that will be working hard moving such a heavy beast stay cooler. Do you think it is a good idea?When talking to my local parts guy he wanted to make sure that I amaware that the deep oil sump adds up to 2 3/4" to the bottom of the engine. There are some choices that are thinner but then hold less extra oil. Should I be worried about extending the engine closer to the ground? I don't imagine doing any crazy off roading adventures with this Bus, it is currently in not-so-great-a-shape so it is odd just imagining it moving at all.Julie------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:53:30 -0700 (PDT) From: singlecabboy<sealingwaxred@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump CB or Berg ,both are good. --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Julie<julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:From: Julie<julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump To: "tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"<tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 10:12 PM Thanks all you TCBers for the words of wisdom about deep oil sumps! On Jul 22, 2010, at 7:13 PM, "Tracy"<pepsifreek@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Well then, that gives a bit of a clue as to how old Iam. =^)-----Original Message----- From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] OnÂBehalf Of Eric Thomas Woodall Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 7:24 AM To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump Yes, and its been that way for decades. Tracy wrote:It’s a damn shame too because once upon a timeEuropean Motor PartsImporters was the sh!t. Now EMPI stands for cheap Chinese piece ofcrap…*From:* tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]Â;*On Behalf Of *sammie smith *Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:44 PM *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump I hate to say this; but most of the current Empistuff is junk. Forthe most part it is Chinese copies of originalstuff. I have come tothe conclusion the Chinese can't reproduceanything according tospecs. I avoid using Empi stuff wheneverpossible.------------------------------------------------------------------------*From:* Ronnie Hughes<fracdogii@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Wed, July 21, 2010 10:21:54 AM *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump Dan is correct. The last two EMPI ones Ibought required extensivegrinding to make room for the bolts to attach tothe engine. I evenused socket head cap screws to help. Thelast one I bought could notbe modified enough to make it useful. It'sstill in my parts box ifanyone wants it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------*From:* Dan Martin<danandkatrinamartin@xxxxxxx> *To:* tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Wed, July 21, 2010 8:10:48 AM *Subject:* [tcb] Re: Deep oil sump I run this one: http://www.geneberg.com/product_info.php?cPath=5_105_2726&products_id=438 Some of the empi ones I looked at were junk (buyerbeware)It has never hit anything. On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:17 AM, Julie wrote:The '68 Bus of mine is homemade camper, a oneof a kind which isÂcoolbut it is much heavier than let's say aWesty. It has been suggestedto me to perhaps add a deep oil sump, with theidea being that moreoil will help the engine that will be working hardmoving such aÂheavy beast stay cooler. Do you think it is a goodidea?When talking to my local parts guy he wantedto make sure that I amaware that the deep oil sump adds up to 2 3/4" tothe bottom of theengine. There are some choices that arethinner but then hold lessextra oil. Should I be worried aboutextending the engine closer tothe ground? I don't imagine doing any crazy offroading adventureswith this Bus, it is currently innot-so-great-a-shape so it is oddjust imagining it moving at all.JulieTo subject of extended oil sump: I would first measure temperature of oil hot (temp probe in dipstick hole). 210F is okay, 240F is too hot. Make sure fan, oil cooler and cylinders are clean. make sure thermostatic flap system, if installed, is working properly. Check engine surround seals for integrity and good fit. A sunp extension will add some cooling for oil, but may only delay saturation.------------------------------ End of tcb Digest V7 #194 *************************