Well put Peter. I'm glad that there are people dedicated to preserving the historical value of perfectly original busses and other cars for that matter. My wife and I have debated the purist topic a few times. I feel that original cars should stay original and if a person is going to modify something, please don't look for as #'s matching OG example. My wife says that its their car and they can do as they please. All my older cars have been messed with already. So I don't worry about stuff with them. On the other hand i have a very low mileage 2003 Mustang Mach 1 that I can't bring my self to modify in any form deviant from the factory. I worry about door dings when I drive it. For this reason I've thought about seling it and getting a nice used already modified Mustang GT. To each their own right. Yes it is nice that we are free to be individuals and enjoy all of life in so many ways. Thanks Peter. Peter Albarian <pcalbar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hello Stephen, Isn't it wonderful that we can all find so many unique ways to enjoy our Buses? I for one find the purist end of the spectrum far more interesting, and some do not. Some here like their Buses stock height and others prefer lowered. Some of us work on and drive our Buses, others hope to have one, some have them and don't drive them, while others tinker and tinker and tinker. Some of us find and fabricate to help our Buses match our own personalities, while others of us think the engineers and factory workers had it right the first time. I've had VWs for about 23 years now and have always been impressed with how many ways people can enjoy them without being judged; that is except back when all other VW people found Buses to be somewhat of a step-child...............look at us now. I have one nice Bus that I will worry about and enjoy showing as long as I have it (my daughter says that's until she gets Buster when I'm gone), and ratty driving or in process Buses that I won't worry about. There is a more special bond I achieve with a Bus when we spend so much time and energy together sourcing correct parts, restoring everything down to the fasteners, and putting it back as close to the way it left the factory as possible.........that's not for everyone. It's funny that the main question I get when driving one of my rats is inevitably when I'm going to restore it. Most that ask that question are usually quite surprised when I say.......maybe never. Buses and their people are quite unique........................enjoy however you do it, and the rest of us will continue to enjoy in our own unique ways. Isn't that what a hobbie is all about? And our bonus is that Bus people, no matter which vintage they prefer, are pretty great folks. Enjoy your weekend! My son and I are going out to work on continuing our restoration assembly in hopes of having Buster ready for Steve and Sharon's little show in a few months. Yours in Buses, Peter the Purist BlackBerry service provided by Nextel -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Brannan Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:15:15 To:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] Re: samba 60 I'm impressed by the conglomerate bus knowledge on here and have decided that I never want to worry about having a perfect month number correct bus. I heard and interview of some people who won a Beatles Edition Lexus and sold it on Barret Jackson. They worried about it all the time, door dings and such. So, it was sold. Someday when I get a bus, I want one that has the wrong engine, paint, whatever. Then I don't have to worry about scratching OG paint, or throwing a rod in a numbers matching engine case. I want my cars to be driven. When I helped Dennis unload his bus from the trailer and the bumper traded paint with the ramp, he shrugged and dismissed it. No worries. Also, I was wondering if there was a list of the busses who's owners are on this list. It might be neat to see how many are represented. sammie smith wrote: Terry: Dug through some old factory photos and found two supposedly 60s with the indented hatch. Now I'm really confused. Apparently they must have started sometime in the 60 model year. But the recognized authority Eccles says that this didn't start till 7/31/61 with sn 802986, at the same time as the large taillights. What type of rear hatch does your 60 and 61 have and what type of taillights? Per your sn's the 60 should have been built around late March of 60 and the 61 should have been built around early October 60. Your M code plates should tell you the exact date of manufacture. The upper left corner of the M plate should have the date, e.g., 21 03 0 means the 21st day of March in 1960. My 60 panel van was built 04 12 9, or December 4, 1959 with SN 543756. And I didn't know you had such a collection of busses! Two questions: When are we gonna see some of these guys; and with all of those splitties what in the heck are you doing with those Bays? TheresaBuckner@xxxxxxx wrote: Hello Peter and all that # is 663680 the title says 61 the 60 westy # is 588162 I have never looked it up in the books . both are high hinge Terry ---------------- Get your own web address.: Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.: < http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49678/*http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL> --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.