Dennis: Yeah, I took out the set screws. They seem to want to begin to slide out, about 18" worth and then they appear to be binding in the middle. Maybe spreading out and binding on the center where the beam narrows down to hold the bars at the set screw location. I had tried to just grab them and pull them out. No luck. Then tried tapping them from one end with a hammer and a hard wood dowel. No luck. Haven't tried it yet but I'm going to remount the trailing arm to one side and working on it with a mallet try to pull them out. My normal method for pulling them out of a type I is just leave one trailing arm on and pulling them out. Have never had a problem on the Type I coming right out. May have to give up and resort to heat or simply cutting up the beam to get them out. I don't really need the beam, though I don't like to destroy VW parts unnecessarily. I just need the torsion springs to install in my panel van. Some idiot lowered it in the front by pulling leaves out of the torsion springs and I'm trying to get it back to stock. My big worry now is: If these things are that hard to get out of a beam, what are they like to install in a beam. They are a little tricky getting them into a type I beam, and now I'm really concerned about how hard they are going to be to put into the Type II. Did check the mapquest routes for mileage and it is 50 miles further from Nac to Springdale than to Mountain View then 150 miles from Springdale to the Mountain View, total of 200 miles. That makes it almost 600 miles to Mountain View by that route. Just too much for the available time and driving a VW though I do appreciate the offer and I dearly love northwest AR. Though between the Corps of Engineers and their lake work, Don Tyson and Sam Walton, they have just about ruined it with development. It was much nicer 40 years ago. Progress just doesn't work sometimes in some places. Maybe I'm just getting old, but Fayetteville and Springdale were much nicer in the 50's and 60's and you could even go down to the local VW dealer in the 60's in Fayetteville and buy a new VW. Sammie At 02:19 PM 5/10/2005, you wrote: >I know I went to your show, I just wasn't sure that you lived in Nac. OK if >you don't wanna have more fun than you ever had and don't wanna caravan to >Mountain Home with us, well OK. > >About the torsion bars, you did take out the set screw in the middle of the >beam, yes? > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sammie Smith" <slsmith@xxxxxxxxx> >To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:04 PM >Subject: [tcb] Re: monument show > > > > > > Dennis: > > Nacogdoches. Fastest way for me to Mountain View is 59 to Texarkana, I-30 > > to Little Rock and then it's debatable as the best way to Mountain View, > > couple of choices. But, viewing the map going through Springdale would be > > maybe as much as 150 miles out of the way, maybe more. Used to live in > > Fayetteville and have driven there many times from various parts of > > Texas. My best guess from the map is that Mountain View would probably be > > as short, maybe shorter, than driving from Nacogdoches to > > Springdale. Which would make my out of the way distance about the > > distance > > from Springdale to Moutain View and through the mountains. > > Sammie > > > > > > At 01:58 PM 5/10/2005, you wrote: > > > >>Sammie, I don't know where you live, tell me > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Sammie Smith" <slsmith@xxxxxxxxx> > >>To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:55 PM > >>Subject: [tcb] Re: monument show > >> > >> > >> > > >> > Denis: > >> > Thanks for the invite to all the TCBers, but Springdale is way out of > >> > the > >> > way for Mountain View and I'm going to have to be pushing it to get > >> > there. Hadn't thought about the heat. Probably is close to a last > >> > resort. Don't really know whey they want just pull right out. They > >> > always > >> > have for me on a type I. Just never tried to take any out of the front > >> > beam on a bus before. They are a lot bulkier and larger than that on a > >> > beetle. > >> > Sammie > >> > > >> > At 01:49 PM 5/10/2005, you wrote: > >> > > >> >>Are you coming Friday night to my house? Say yes dammitt. > >> >> > >> >>As knowledgeable as you are I am sure you have thought about heat to > >> >>free > >> >>up > >> >>the torsion bars. I get good results from a propane torch. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>----- Original Message ----- > >> >>From: "Sammie Smith" <slsmith@xxxxxxxxx> > >> >>To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >>Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 11:36 AM > >> >>Subject: [tcb] Re: monument show > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > I learn something new everyday. Now if I just knew how to get those > >> >> > torsion bars out of the used bus beam that I have laying in my > >> >> > garage > >> >> > floor. Trying a new tact as soon as I get time. > >> >> > > >> >> > I am going to the Monumental Bug Bash in the Baja. Also going to > >> >> > the > >> >> > Arkansas show in the Baja. Hope you guys will forgive me, but I > >> >> > like > >> >> > all > >> >> > VWs. > >> >> > > >> >> > As to the Harleys, they are just VWs without the convenience of 4 > >> >> > wheels, > >> >> > a > >> >> > top, windows etc. Would ride a Harley cept I value my life too > >> >> > highly. Have lost too many friends riding on 2 wheels over the > >> >> > years. > >> >> > Sammie > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > At 11:30 AM 5/10/2005, you wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >>Phillip and Karen Douglas started HOBO a few years ago when we were > >> >> >>going > >> >> >>to Busses by the Arch. Not much has been happening with it in a few > >> >> >>years > >> >> >>since they started riding Harleys. I will be going to the Monumental > >> >> >>Bug > >> >> >>Bash but will not be able to attend the Mountain View show. HOBO was > >> >> >>just > >> >> >>a bunch of us that liked to camp together. --- mark > >> >> >>Sammie Smith <slsmith@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Who's going where? To > >> >> >>Monumental > >> >> >>Bug Bash, to Mountain View ARK? And > >> >> >>what's this HOBO club. That's a new one on me. > >> >> >>Sammie > >> >> >>Not a member of HOBO > >> >> >> > >> >> >>At 10:18 PM 5/9/2005, you wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Who's going? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Mark Sawyer > >> >> >> >84 Vanagon Westy aka "Roxanne" > >> >> >> >70 Type 1 Vert (still in pieces) > >> >> >> >69 Type 3 Fastback (also in pieces) > >> >> >> >North Houston VW Club > >> >> >> >Texas Coalition of Busses (TCB) > >> >> >> >Huntsville Organization of Busses (HOBO) > >> >> >> >Shade Tree mechanic > >> >> >> >Ale Tester > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >