You are in Ft. Worth, talk to Steve Chamberlain, he's the bus brake expert. Seriously now (the above was a joke), sounds like you have not adjusted up the brakes. Run the adjustment up on all four wheels to where all shoes are just dragging good, then bleed them and see what type of pedal you have. Also, have you checked the free play between the pedal and the MC, should only be like 2 or 3 mm, but I would have to look it up to be sure. But if the pedal has to move a long way before engaging the MC you will get the problem of which you speak. ________________________________ From: Rusty Herring <rustmah1@xxxxxxx> To: Texas Coalition of Busses <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thu, December 22, 2011 5:31:45 PM Subject: [tcb] Re: help I'm trying to fix the brake system on a 67 deluxe buse. Have changed out the mastercyclinder, all four wheel cycliners on the front,new drums on front. I've ran 64oz of brake fluid thru all the system(bleeding all wheel cycliners front and back) no more air, even bled mastercyclinder, all hoses look new. the brake pedal goes almost to the floor before the front brakes will lock up. the rear brakes want lockup. they will if you pull the e brake. i'm at a loss to figure this out . can any body offer any sugestions on what to try next?????? If it can happen it will hapen to me???? ________________________________ Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:54:41 -0600 Subject: [tcb] Bus sighting From: evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx In the admirals club at LAX there is a large photograph about 4 by 6 on the wall. It is a photo of the desert southwest, possibly Mexico, with a 70s bus in it driving on a dirt road. Lime green and yellow.