[tcb] Re: caroline the fabubus update
- From: "Trey Jung" <Trey.Jung@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:24:14 -0700
I had a 69 bus that I hauled music equipment in, in the early 70's (How
it all started plus my dad was a VW salesman from 63 to 71)...
Just 2 front seats ... in the bus.
I'd carry:
Hammond B3 Organ w/ 2 Leslie Speakers plus bass pedals.
PA equipment stacked to the top of the bus when at times I'd slammed on
the brakes and the equipment would pin me against the steering wheel and
front dash....give it a little gas and the stuff would slide back...
Oh the days of rock and roll.
The pint I guess here is I wonder how much weight I carried back then,
it was full and heavy.
Trey
-----Original Message-----
From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Brian Denning
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:56 AM
To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tcb] Re: caroline the fabubus update
the bus itself weighs 3141lbs and it can haul up to 1885lbs
this is based on the 1973 bus with a 1.7 in it. it says top speed 78
miles
an hour but for some reason in 77 they lowerd that top speed to 75. to
be
honest with you i won't go over 65 in mine and currently i won't even go
that fast ;-)
>From: Sammie Smith <slsmith@xxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [tcb] Re: caroline the fabubus update
>Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:33:47 -0600
>
>After 1967 I plead ignorance to anything volkswagen. I don't know
nuthin
>bout no bay windows.
>Sammie
>
>
>At 10:19 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote:
>>I should also add in the weight of my fat ass. (Insert joke here).
>>
>>Sammie what is the load capacity for a bay? Would it be less, since
the
>>engine is the same but the rig itself weighs more?
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Sammie Smith" <slsmith@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 9:17 AM
>>Subject: [tcb] Re: caroline the fabubus update
>>
>>
>>>The factory manual says the load carrying capacity on the split
window
>>>(double cab-single cab-panel truck etc) is approximately 1,875
pounds,
>>>depending on which truck etc. Basically the splitty is a one-ton
truck.
>>>Sammie
>>>
>>>
>>>At 09:08 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote:
>>>>1440lbs? wow that is like how much more a bay weighs isn't it?
>>>>
>>>>>From: "Denis Dodson" <coocoo@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>Reply-To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Subject: [tcb] Re: caroline the fabubus update
>>>>>Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:56:28 -0600
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi everybody. Poor Caroline. I think that you are traveling in the
land
>>>>>of "if". Not quite T4 hell yet. If you can find a decent head, and
if
>>>>>you can find a machine shop to do a decent job and if you can
install
>>>>>and adjust everything correctly you should dance with the engine
what
>>>>>brung ya. The cost and trouble of replacing your engine with any
other
>>>>>setup will truly put you into Hell, with a capital H . Jeez, if you
are
>>>>>going to lose your mind and all your money doing a swap, put in the
>>>>>Subaru, or whatever the waterboxer swap is.
>>>>>
>>>>>I Have a 1914 and I was real specific that it be a strong motor as
>>>>>opposed to a fast motor. A stroke combined with machined 88s. I say
>>>>>this because I guess it would be considered a "get up and go". I
can go
>>>>>70 and I can carry 18 80 lb bags of cement (1440 lbs), but I don't
>>>>>think you would be happy with the speed or quickness of a type 1
after
>>>>>driving a T4. Dan zooms pretty good in Homer, but I'm always
surprised
>>>>>that a T1 can push around the weight of a Bay.
>>>>>
>>>>>Talk to Derek at Way Out about the heads.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Trey Jung"
>>>>><Trey.Jung@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:11 PM
>>>>>Subject: [tcb] Re: caroline the fabubus update
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I talked with Raby at one time about building me a get up and go
Type
>>>>>1....rats...then he stopped building them for now
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>>>>Behalf Of Dan Martin
>>>>>Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 3:54 PM
>>>>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>Subject: [tcb] Re: caroline the fabubus update
>>>>>
>>>>>I can see wanting to keep the T4 if you can. You should be able to
find
>>>>>good "core" heads. I think any real machine shop can do a good job
if
>>>>>they try, and it sounds like you have that covered. If they are
willing
>>>>>to guarantee their work you are golden. I know all about the
>>>>>"get-up-and-go upright" you are talking about. I have built it a
>>>>>hundred
>>>>>times in my head, driving around a "stock" engined bus.
>>>>>
>>>>>So many options......
>>>>>
>>>>>On Nov 28, 2005, at 3:39 PM, Brian Denning wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>aircooled.net sells a fiberglass piece that will make a type 1 fit
and
>>>>>
>>>>>>look factory. i have considered that from day 1. however a part of
me
>>>>>>wants to keep it as stock as possible. i have found a 1.7 head
that is
>>>>>
>>>>>>good and have a friend who does machine work and that is my
current
>>>>>>option. for 50 a head he can bore it and rebuild it.
>>>>>>the 1.7 head will set me back another 75. still a lot cheaper than
>>>>>>going out and buying either a new motor or new heads and they will
be
>>>>>>like new. this friend garuntees all repairs. he says he is not
going
>>>>>>to have to pay for a t4 motor so he will definately do it right.
>>>>>>perhaps this is a good option. but if all else fails i have a 1600
>>>>>>dual port in my shop that is looking more and more like what i
will
>>>>>>use it just needs a complete overhaul. i guess i could drop in the
>>>>>>money and make i nice get-up-and-go upright. i don't know, like i
said
>>>>>
>>>>>>i am still weighing out my options.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: Dan Martin <danandkatrinamartin@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>Reply-To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>Subject: [tcb] Re: caroline the fabubus update
>>>>>>>Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:22:28 -0600
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There is OE tin in europe and south america, late model buses
with
>>>>>>>T1 engines are common, just not imported to the U.S..
>>>>>>>There is a known defect in the T4 head design. The seats have
been
>>>>>>>falling out of the heads from day one. My father killed the last
of
>>>>>>>his 3 buses, a 74 or 75 when the exhaust valve seat fell out of
the
>>>>>>>number 3 cylinder. He was so proud of the "porsche"
>>>>>>>motor he had in his new bus, it died at 18 thousand miles. I
think
>>>>>>>there a couple people around who have them figured out, Jake
Raby
>>>>>>>comes to mind.I would think Derik at Way Out might know of a
good
>>>>>>>shop closer to you guys. But I don't think there is any cheap
and
>>>>>>>easy around a full blown head redo at a professional (expensive
and
>>>>>>>increasingly rare) machine shop that know how to work on the T4
>>>>>>>head. I feel your pain, but I guess that is the price you pay
for
>>>>>>>all that extra speed and power the T4 gives you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Nov 28, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Mark Sawyer wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have seen many people put a T1 engine in a late model bay
window.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You just have to fabricate the sheet metal to seal it in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brian Denning <i_am_cool_fred@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>ok so everyone is always giving me a hard time about ol'
>>>>>>>>caroline. well here
>>>>>>>>is a new one for you. i know robb and neil already know about
this
>>>>>>>>one. so i was driving 2 thursdays ago and well i get about half
way
>>>>>>>>to work (20 miles) and she starts to make a loud noise. well ok
>>>>>>>>pull over and assess the problem. can't really find a problem so
i
>>>>>>>>call andrew barnes.
>>>>>>>>wake his poor
>>>>>>>>butt up and say can you diagnose this over the phone. well we
were
>>>>>>>>both close on the assessment. sounded like a blown manifold
gasket.
>>>>>>>>so i pull out the manifold and replace the gasket and put it
all
>>>>>>>>back together. tightened the head bolts while i had it apart
none
>>>>>>>>were loose just went over them all just in case per request
from
>>>>>>>>andrew. i started it up and well it sounded just the same. ok
so i
>>>>>>>>bring in some backup and well we decide that it is
>>>>>>>>possibly a blown he ad gasket (wtf) so we pull the head off and
>>>>>>>>well not
>>>>>>>>good. it wasn't exactly a head gasket. evidently there was a
>>>>>>>>fracture or
>>>>>>>>something in the head that wasn't seen before. and well i blew a
>>>>>>>>hole in the
>>>>>>>>head about a 1/4" long and about 1/8" deep right next to where
the
>>>>>>>>spark blug would be. now this head has given me problems before
so
>>>>>>>>now i am just about to sell her for a beetle. but i took a
breather
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and now i am in search of one more 1.7 head so i can send both
of
>>>>>>>>them off and have them bored out.
>>>>>>>>i have been told that they are more durable then the 2.0, the
valve
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>size is the same, and the one that i have is round port and so i
>>>>>>>>need one more and then i send them off to be bored and have new
>>>>>>>>valves put on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>yea denis i know i am yet again in t4 hell. and the funny thing
>>>>>>>>about it the
>>>>>>>>beginning of the week before thanksgiving i was going to make a
>>>>>>>>post that i
>>>>>>>>was in t4 heaven.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>i am starting to think the late bays were put together with
spare
>>>>>>>>parts layin around.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mark Sawyer
>>>>>>>>92 Cabriolet--"Abby"
>>>>>>>>84 Vanagon Westy--"Roxanne"
>>>>>>>>70 Karmann Ghia Vert--"Dorothy" (soon to be running) 70 Type 1
>>>>>>>>Vert--"Vern" (still in pieces)
>>>>>>>>69 Type 3 Fastback--"Earnest" (also in pieces) Texas Coalition
of
>>>>>>>>Busses (TCB) North Houston VW Club (NHVWC) Huntsville
Organization
>>>>>>>>of Busses (HOBO)
>>>>>>
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