the brakes have been bled 4 times now, i still have to pump it up for them to work, that is why i think there is air in the master cylinder, i don't think it's bad because there are no leaks. i understand i need to bleed the wheels and have gotten very experienced in that the past couple of days, there isn't any air comming out of the wheels now. i was just wondering about the master cylinder, how do i get the air out of it? is there any trick to it? Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:59:45 -0700 From: bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] Re: air in the mc To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Bleed the brakes: In this order; right rear, left rear, right front, left front. Use the method recommended in all the VW handbooks and you can do the job by yourself, though it is helpful to have someone work the pedal while you watch the fluid to make sure all bubbles have stopped coming out. If you don't have a manual showing this procedure holler back and I will describe it. Brian Denning <i_am_cool_fred@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: that is the concensus on the master cylinder. any tricks to bleeding it with it installed? just unhook the hose and pump away or what? Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". Check it out. _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join