[tcb] Re: [Suspected Spam] Re: Anyone out there with a 1641 engine in a Westy?
- From: Will Wood <evilscientistboo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:24:23 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
LOL, I know you're joking Sammie... ;-)
Don't forget the "show swappers" too who buy stuff and sell it at the same swap
meet. I think guys like that should be asked to leave. Can we still brand
somebody like that with a "P" for Pirate?
I recently had a guy talk to me about rebuilding his carbs, they're old 36
DCNFs that look like crap. Anyway at the "No Show" he was telling me somebody
was offering him $3K for those carbs. I said "take the money and buy new
ones." Now Nobody in their right mind would offer $3K for 36 DCNFs but then
again if somebody offers you crazy money for something, take it and run...
-----Original Message-----
>From: Sammie Smith <slsmith@xxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Jul 31, 2006 9:40 AM
>To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [tcb] Re: [Suspected Spam] Re: Anyone out there with a 1641 engine in
>a Westy?
>
>Just joking Will. You are right on the swap meets. Don't think we will
>see a return to swap meets of old. The internet has ruined them. If the
>sellers aren't selling them on the internet they are watching the prices on
>the net and trying to get the same prices at the swap meet that they saw on
>the net. Then of course there are the flippers who are the first ones at
>the swap meet pilaging every bargain that might be there so they can put
>them on the net for 9 times the price paid the following Monday.
>
>
>At 09:25 AM 7/31/2006, you wrote:
>>Why would I feel guilty. Swap meets (some of them) are the last bastion
>>of getting a fair deal on something. That was the price on them, and he
>>shipped them back for that amount too, so it's like a Double Coupon ...
>>
>>I've pretty much given up on most of the swap meets because of the
>>Internet sites inflating prices so badly. I have friends who make the
>>pilgrimage to Pomona and they're saying that it's the same Internet
>>dealers mostly who are selling and those that aren't are usually pillaged
>>by the time the place opens for everybody else.
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Sammie Smith <slsmith@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >Sent: Jul 31, 2006 8:58 AM
>> >To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >Subject: [tcb] Re: [Suspected Spam] Re: Anyone out there with a 1641
>> engine in a Westy?
>> >
>> >Will, did you feel any guilt when you walked away with those. That almost
>> >constitutes felony theft. Oh, and by the way, if you want to sell them at
>> >a profit I'll give you $110.
>> >
>> >At 12:01 PM 7/28/2006, you wrote:
>> >>I know, I'm becoming a collector in old parts. For the most part getting
>> >>the complete setup is the key. Drums, backing plates, wheel cylinders and
>> >>shoes, $100.. Couldn't pass it up and yup, I'll rebuild the wheel
>> >>cylinders but the rest of it is in great shape. I figure for the Barn
>> door
>> >>it would work because of it's limited mileage. I did price out some 356-A
>> >>Fronts, but at $1200 for NOS drums, that's crazy. I'll save my OG
>> >>Barn door fronts in case I ever decide to switch back.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >> >From: Sammie Smith <slsmith@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >Sent: Jul 28, 2006 12:17 PM
>> >> >To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >Subject: [tcb] Re: [Suspected Spam] Re: Anyone out there with a 1641
>> >> engine in a Westy?
>> >> >
>> >> >Speaking of a bazillion dollars. I thought that's what those P-wagen
>> >> >brakes cost. Have you priced replacement parts on those things. Just
>> >> >jealous. Would love to have a set of early 356 brakes for oval just for
>> >> >the old school cool. Used to be the way (in the 50s) to go to stop your
>> >> >hopped up VW. But the cost now. Outta sight baby. You think old VW
>> parts
>> >> >are expensive. Talk to some early Porsche restorers.
>> >> >
>> >> >At 09:52 AM 7/28/2006, you wrote:
>> >> >>Humm, Aerodynamic qualities?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_coefficient
>> >> >>
>> >> >>A smooth brick has a coefficient of 2.1, a VW Bus about .45...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>A bazillion dollars for disc brakes? Pshaw! Do your homework and your
>> >> >>shopping and
>> >> >>you can come out inexpensively. Frankly, since most of the braking
>> effort
>> >> >>is on the front wheels
>> >> >>go with fronts first. If you have a Ball Joint Bus (68-up) spindles can
>> >> >>interchange from some years and
>> >> >>with a little bone yard hunting you can come up with a solution..
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Now, I've acquired a set of 356B brakes for my 54 Barndoor. Dual wheel
>> >> >>cylinders, Aluminum Drums (Steel inserts).... That's pimping. You
>> >> >>haven't lived until you've tried to stop a Barndoor with single
>> front 22mm
>> >> >>wheel cylinders on a single circuit master.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >From: Denis Dodson <coocoo@xxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >Sent: Jul 27, 2006 9:18 PM
>> >> >> >To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >Subject: [tcb] Re: [Suspected Spam] Re: Anyone out there with a
>> >> >> 1641 engine in a Westy?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Again, we are talking about going 75 MPH in a thing that has
>> >> absolutely no
>> >> >> >aerodynamic qualities, and unless you spend a bazillion dollars
>> for disk
>> >> >> >brakes, will not stop worth a f%#k and even if you spend all your
>> >> money on
>> >> >> >brakes it will still roll in a sharp turn, or even gradual turns.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Before I got a bus to fix up, I was wanting a 1956 Ford F-100. I
>> >> would have
>> >> >> >dropped a Thunderbird 272 with a progressive Tri-Power and overdrive
>> >> switch
>> >> >> >under the accelerator in it. It's what I had in High School. That car
>> >> would
>> >> >> >actually lift a few inches and press you into your seat when you
>> >> punched it
>> >> >> >and dropped a half a gear going 45. ( Later in life I used it for
>> moving
>> >> >> >goats and carrying firewood). That was a go-fast.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >A Volkswagen bus is a Volkswagen bus. 80 tops.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >From: "Lonnie Bergman" <bergmanfamily@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 7:47 PM
>> >> >> >Subject: [tcb] Re: [Suspected Spam] Re: Anyone out there with a 1641
>> >> engine
>> >> >> >in a Westy?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> If anyone is serious about a corvair power train, let me know. I
>> have a
>> >> >> >> guy
>> >> >> >> here trying to buy my buggy that has a buggy on a corvair chassis.
>> >> >> >> Complete
>> >> >> >> Eng and auto tranny.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> >> From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> >> Behalf
>> >> >> >> Of Dan Martin
>> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:44 PM
>> >> >> >> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >> Subject: [tcb] [Suspected Spam] Re: Anyone out there with a 1641
>> >> engine in
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> Westy?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I think a cool running reliable 100 HP bay would be sweet!
>> >> >> >> This guy used a Powerglide:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> http://www.type2.com/library/enginem/corvair.htm
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I think a automatic transmission would be cool too, might as
>> well run
>> >> >> >> a air conditioner and cruise control!
>> >> >> >> And Megasquirt!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Jul 27, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Bob Perring wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> A guy that does Corvair engine to VW vehicle conversions out in
>> >> >> >>> California is a ham radio buddy of mine. I have spoke to him about
>> >> >> >>> it, and he swears that the results are awesome.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> At 17:20 7/27/2006, you wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> Kennedy still makes adapters.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> <http://www.kennedyeng.com/index.htm>http://www.kennedyeng.com/
>> >> >> >>>> index.htm
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> Clarke's makes bay kits and you get the corvair trans.:
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> http://www.corvair.com/user-cgi/catalog.cgi?
>> >> >> >>>> function=goto&catalog=SPECIALTY§ion=OTTO&page=OTTO-44
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> There a couple guys on the type 2 list that run the conversion.
>> >> >> >>>> A friend of mine has 6 corvairs, He says corvair engines and parts
>> >> >> >>>> are not too hard to find.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> On Jul 27, 2006, at 4:17 PM, JKi7886155@xxxxxxx wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> I have been reading, with interest, everyone's thoughts about
>> >> >> >>>>> engine size, performance options, etc. My two (2) beetles (one 74
>> >> >> >>>>> sedan and one 79 Super convertible) both have MoFoCo (Milwaukee)
>> >> >> >>>>> built 1776 cc "Streetwise" motors with mild cams, lightened
>> >> >> >>>>> flywheels and dual Webers. Both engines have hydraulic valve
>> >> >> >>>>> lifters and I couldn't be happier the way they perform around
>> >> >> >>>>> town or on the road. I normally cruise around 70 mph. At that
>> >> >> >>>>> speed, the VDO tachometer in my sedan reads around 4000 rpm.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Back in the late 60's and early 70' s I had a 61 Westy and one
>> >> >> >>>>> time I towed a fairly heavy trailer with two (2) motorcycles from
>> >> >> >>>>> Houston to Oklahoma, to camp with a friend. Uphill, on the
>> >> >> >>>>> freeways the original stock engine had all it could do to top
>> >> >> >>>>> hills at 25 mph. Drivers behind me nearly wore out their horns.
>> >> >> >>>>> After that trip I decided something had to change.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> I picked up a Corvair 140 H.P. engine, bought a Crown conversion
>> >> >> >>>>> kit and made the engine swap. Suddenly, I could easily dust my
>> >> >> >>>>> friend's Porsche at intersections but, the engine was
>> screaming at
>> >> >> >>>>> 65-70 mph on the highway. I changed the rear end ratio and
>> >> >> >>>>> suddenly I could cruise right along with the new bay windows, in
>> >> >> >>>>> the 65-70 mph range and, it still had plenty of punch. The
>> >> >> >>>>> package proved to be very dependable,. but the steering at 70 mph
>> >> >> >>>>> was so quick it felt like driving a go-kart.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> I sold the car to purchase my first house in around '73 but, now
>> >> >> >>>>> I sure wish I had kept it. If you want performance that's sure
>> >> >> >>>>> one way to get it, although 6 cylinder 140 H.P. Corvair engines,
>> >> >> >>>>> much less Crown adapters, are getting rare these days.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Jack
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> In a message dated 7/27/06 9:57:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> >> >> >>>>> mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>> >> >> >>>>> I agree that a Bus needs more torque, but horsepower is needed to
>> >> >> >>>>> maintain highway speeds. I have never had any problems with a
>> >> >> >>>>> 1641 running hot. I use the stock offset cooler and super cool
>> >> >> >>>>> tins and maintain 190 to 205 degree's in my 70 vert with the top
>> >> >> >>>>> down blocking the air coming off the top of the car. I'm not a
>> >> >> >>>>> big fan of dual carbs, my opinion is a good 2 barrel progressive
>> >> >> >>>>> is all you need. I had a 1641 in a 65 single cab with reduction
>> >> >> >>>>> boxes with the aforementioned setup and routinely got 28 to
>> 32 mpg.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Dan Martin <danandkatrinamartin@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>> I think what he is saying is for the minimal gain you get from
>> >> >> >>>>> increasing from stock to 1641, he thinks it would be better to
>> >> >> >>>>> install duel carbs and a header. The problem is, increasing
>> >> >> >>>>> displacement by increasing the bore will add horsepower, what
>> a bus
>> >> >> >>>>> needs is more torque. To increase the torque of a VW engine the
>> >> >> >>>>> easiest way is to install a longer stroke crank. The cranks are
>> >> >> >>>>> expensive. Their use generates more heat. So most people add
>> a oil
>> >> >> >>>>> cooler/fan and filter. I am afraid by the time I add duel carbs,
>> >> >> >>>>> header, stroker crank (why add a little stroke?), oil cooler and
>> >> >> >>>>> plumbing I will not be able stop the big heavy beast and I still
>> >> >> >>>>> will
>> >> >> >>>>> not be going fast enough to impress the kids in the high rev
>> tuners.
>> >> >> >>>>> But at least I will get to buy a lot more gas.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> On Jul 27, 2006, at 8:48 AM, Trey Jung wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> > John Connolly sent me this as I was talking to him about a 1641
>> >> >> >>>>> > with the single Weber...
>> >> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >> >>>>> > Thoughts?
>> >> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >> >>>>> > Trey
>> >> >> >>>>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Connolly,
>> Aircooled.Net"
>> >> >> >>>>> > <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >>>>> > To: "Trey Jung" <treyjung@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <type2@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> >>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 2:41 PM
>> >> >> >>>>> > Subject: Re: [T2] Anyone out there with a 1641 engine in a
>> Westy?
>> >> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >> >>>>> >> http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?
>> >> >> >>>>> >> keyword2=fsk0060
>> >> >> >>>>> >>
>> >> >> >>>>> >> is a far better choice. The 30mm venturis will give more power
>> >> >> >>>>> and
>> >> >> >>>>> >> run
>> >> >> >>>>> >> cooler then the supplied 27mm venturis.
>> >> >> >>>>> >>
>> >> >> >>>>> >> Read about a bus install at
>> >> >> >>>>> >> http://waitresses.servebeer.com:81/vwpage/35pdsit/35pdsit.htm
>> >> >> >>>>> >>
>> >> >> >>>>> >> John
>> >> >> >>>>> >> Aircooled.Net Inc.
>> >> >> >>>>> >>
>> >> >> >>>>> >>
>> >> >> >>>>>
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