As far as I remember, crank starts ended as a standard in 1958 and were an option for a couple of years after that. BlackBerry service provided by Nextel -----Original Message----- From: James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:24:43 To:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] Question about crank handles What year did VW Buses stop having crank handles? I have been looking for a crank handle for my '59 for a few months and have only seen them for pressed bumpers that are '58 or earlier. Could I have the wrong apron? Thanks in advance! James DAC '59 23 Window Deluxe '73/'77 Westfakia '78 Super Vert ---------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=48516/*http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > and lay it on us.