Good discussion. My days of primitive/stealth camping are long behind me. In fact, that's why I bought Freedom. AC in the summer and electric heater in the winter for me. No solar setup will power that, atleast for long. Oh, and no climbing UP out of a tent. Love my Westie. I had to retire the orange battery this winter. It finally ran its shelf life and wouldn't hold a charge. I replaced it with a yellow top. My winter "to do" was to isolate the #3 fuse to the spare battery. I finally got that done but. . .I tore everything out to run one wire behind the sink and now, with everything out and access easy, I am wondering if I should replace the wallpaper. Bigger job than I wanted though so I'll probably just replace the sink and worry about it later. BulliGras is fast approaching. And T@P is right behind that. No solar for me. Gimme the grid. Except I keep thinking of Dan & Kat's trip to NM and will get a small trickle charger, though. Couldn't find the past post about their trip to Ruidoso (?), NM but they had a dead battery and had to drift down a mountainside! BTW: here is G2's original post on the orange batteries, which has links. //www.freelists.org/post/tcb/Batteries-followup Duncan