okay, this is all very familiar, really. at the classic, someone asked me about an oil leak. all over the engine compartment, thought to be from the pully area on a type I motor. the guy was from st louis and did not want to go back with the thing leaking oil that bad. for some reason, he thought he had a sand seal on the engine. he asked could it be changed without pulling the engine and get him back to st louis. feelers went out. dick wakefield said he had done it and could help. dick went and looked and determined that is was not the sand seal pulley that was throwing oil but from something else. did not find out what the "other" thing was. point is...guy from st lois thought the same thing denis is decribing, maybe and some else looked and said no it's not the pulley but some thing else. what did dick see that said, no, it's not blowing oil from behind the pulley, it's something else? i was too busy to find out the details. terry, got any ideas? sound similar to denis' problem. just wondering, could be totally wrong. --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Denis Dodson <coocoo@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: Denis Dodson <coocoo@xxxxxxx> Subject: [tcb] Re: OK, about that oil leak To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 5:24 PM The question was “is there a seal?” Chuck kept talking about my sand seal. Actually John was right: just the slinger ring. Don’t be fanning the flames of a mud fight with me and Chuck, I got enough trouble in my family as it is. From: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of whocanduncan1@xxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:22 PM To: TCB Subject: [tcb] Re: OK, about that oil leak Say it. . .Chuck was right. Sent from my BlackBerry®From: "Denis Dodson" <coocoo@xxxxxxx> Sender: tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:18:15 -0500To: <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>ReplyTo: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] OK, about that oil leak After this discussion and a call to an expert I have deduced that there is no seal between the slinger ring and the crank pulley. I have a sand seal there but it is, maybe, 8 years old and they can get a groove cut in them or can start spinning with shaft and needs to be replaced. Apparently a real seal is “machined” in, which I am certain mine is not. As Robb said my breather may be involved or I ran too much oil or about a hundred other reasons. As soon as the freakin’ rail stops, we have had more than 10” in four days, and I clean up the flood damage, I will get at Murray’s engine and find out what is going on.