[tcb] Re: Murray fire was caused by... BRIAN!
- From: sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 06:00:44 -0800 (PST)
Well, that might be a consideration: But then there is wheel size, wheel
offset, and tire size to consider also.
Brian Denning <i_am_cool_fred@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: .hmmessage P {
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FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma } my guess would be because they are narrower than a t3
drum...and because of that lower fender opening on the rear the thing brakes
would kick the wheels out to much and cause them to rub???
but tha'ts just my guess, am i right?
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:36:19 -0800
From: bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tcb] Re: Murray fire was caused by... BRIAN!
To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Ok, it got the best of me, I had to go look it up. I pulled out the article
that I wrote for our club newsletter on rear brakes. The lining area on the
Thing/Type I rear brake is 6,900 square mm. The lining area on Type II (at
least 64-67 and I think the earlier ones are the same) is 7,500 square mm. The
lining area on the Type III is 11,904 square mm, 73% greater than the Type I
and obviously also significantly greater than even the Type II. So why do
straight axle conversions on the Type II almost always use the Thing brake?
And if you want to put them on a short spline axle you can mill the nipple
down to fit.
Will Wood <evilscientistboo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Type 3 = wider shoes for more braking power. Thing drums are essentially 5 lug
late bug drums (12mm lug bolts of course)
The Type 3 backing plates also work out better for the E-Brake setup.
Both drums work on the same spline (long).
-----Original Message-----
From: sammie smith
Sent: Feb 22, 2008 5:34 PM
To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [tcb] Re: Murray fire was caused by... BRIAN!
Which brings up a point that I have never understood. Maybe some of you
deleted redux box straight axle gurus can inform me. Why use Thing brakes on a
straight axle conversion. Type 3 brakes are much bigger and better. Or just
use the early (small spline) Type II brakes, which do not have quite as much
lining area as the Type III but are still much larger than the Thing. The
lining area on a Thing brake is the same as a late Type I. Point is, when you
do a straight axle conversion and use the Thing brake you are losing a bunch of
braking power on the rear of a bus compared to what you had. But all of the
straight axle conversions I have seen use the Thing brakes.
sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Denis: You have Thing
brakes. Or at least you did the last time that I looked at them.
Denis Dodson <coocoo@xxxxxxx> wrote: Not really, but it sounds like some of
his letters and I just wanted to imagine him jumping.
Chuck has inspected the damage and decided that I "pinched" a wire when I
installed the new speedometer, which made him mad so he abused me for about two
hours. Like if I got a drink of water, "I don't need to be doing this! I can go
home right now" or if he asked, specifically, for a three inch small Phillips
screwdriver and I couldn't find it within 2 minutes "You know, if you went all
around here and put all your tools in the same place, I wouldn't be here
wasting all my time, you miserable faggot!" And Andrew called and left a
message in voicemail that what was I doing while Chuck was working on Murray,
that piece of s#*t." That is an actual quote from Andrew Barnes. I think Chuck
called him. He fixed up all the electrical, even the horn, so now everything
works. Or will until the next wire fire, damn that Brian.
We took the brake drums to two O'Rielly's but none of them could turn the
rear drums, which are Thing or Type 3, because of the small splined hole and
ended up at a very cool machine shop that charged me $15 a piece and although
they looked perfect, were slightly out of round (Chuck right again).
Oh, and the sway bar company that was still in business? I called their tech
support line and left a message that it didn't fit because I had removed the
RGBs, and I got a call back from a guy that sounded about 25 asking about what
we were doing and where had we found this kit. He wanted to know the colors of
the pieces, whether there were any yellow zinc parts. He decided that the kit
was between 25 to thirty years old, and was amazed.
Chuck left for home this morning.
Today I will re-assemble the brakes.
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