There were two diff styles the narrow and the wide AFAIK. I have seen both. Euros were wide US was narrow. Reason? License plates. If you could see the taillights that would narrow it down. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:53:25 To:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] Re: ID early single cab Peter: The truck is not a barndoor. Were there 2 different types of pressed bumpers on the 55-58 busses? The truck is definitely a 55-58. I was just trying to figure any way to differentiate from a front quarter picture to tell which. License plate is a 58 so that doesn't help. Peter Albarian <pcalbar@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Sammie, If you need me to snap pictures of a BD through 55 and a post-Wolfsburg front bumper, let me know if it will help. The license plate gap is narrower on the earlier ones. Peter BlackBerry service provided by Nextel -----Original Message----- From: sammie smith Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:12:36 To:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] Re: ID early single cab Will: Ok, you got me on that one. What the heck is a Wolfsburg bumper and how is it different than a regular pressed bumper. Probably can't see it well enough if it is some small detail different than a regular pressed bumper. evilscientistboo@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Can you see the front bumper to determine if it's a wolfsburg? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: sammie smith Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:19:22 To:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] Re: ID early single cab Glad you are back in Texas. Unfortunately the only photo they have is an almost 3/4 shot of the front. It has pressed bumpers,overhanging front vent, no turn signals (Euro version), through the hinge outside mirrors, painted frame safari windows, inside rearview mirror and a big old security guard driving the truck. Also has a 58 Texas tag on the front bumper. So all I could do was pin it down to 55-58. Pressed bumpers on a non-barndoor. Company is an international equipment/machinery company so I assume they brought the VW trucks directly from Germany and that explains the Euro version. The company owner/founder was a big lover of VWs and his personal car during this time was an oval sedan. They also have a photo of one of his oval sedans that got accidently backed over by a piece of heavy equipment. Looks like a 50's era military tank drove right over its top. Anyway, they are writing a history of the company and wanted the year of the truck identified. Sammie Peter Albarian wrote: Hey Sammie, My phone just got back into range, and we're about 40 miles from home, so I just received your question. I suggest you go with Will's opinion on this one since my focus has always been deluxe and not commercial. I will say from experience that inside mirrors seemed to be more prevelent starting with '58 model Buses from what Kirk and I have seen. Are there no pictures of the back side of this SC? Glad to be back in Tejas, Peter BlackBerry service provided by Nextel -----Original Message----- From: sammie smith Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:17:52 To:tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] ID early single cab Can any of the early bus gurus tell me the first year for the interior rear view mirror on the commercial trucks, e.g., single cab/panel van. Trying to id the year of a single cab for a local corp writing its history which used VWs extensively. Has a photo of an early single cab used by security force. Has pressed bumpers, side mirrors, and is not a barndoor and is a euro version. Has a front Texas plate for 1958. Conclusion it has to be a 55 to 58. Only other piece of evidence is that it has an inside rear view mirror. Early commercial vehicles did not have this mirror. Knowing what year the mirror started might at least narrow down the possibilities. Help Peter and Will. Sammie