In Illinois "Embarras" is pronounced Ambraw ....................... as in Ambraw River, which is spelled Embarras River, but pronounced "Ambraw" River. so, to that degree, you should not feel embarrassed. You should feel ambrawed...... unless you wanna get hung up on the "s" count used in the spelling of whatever word you want to hinge upon. :-) ========================================> At 11:25 1/7/2005, you wrote: >I thought if I said "plumb" it would confuse somebody so I went phonetic. >Thanks for embarrassing me in front of everybody.