Well, gonna loose my Sea Capt'n card on that'n! Good to know, thanks! --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Edward Maikranz <maikranze@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > From: Edward Maikranz <maikranze@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [tcb] Re: Heat in a late Bay... can it be done? > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 2:11 PM > Actually its a bilge blower not a pump. they > are designed to blow fumes out of the bilge area. > The bilge blower is switched on to ventilate before > starting the engine. > Ed > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:52 PM, > Neil <nbmdude@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > I wuz wonderin' about the bilge > pump...they're designed to pump water not air...would > there be an overheatin' issue within the pump? > I've worked around sump pumps that got pretty warm, > but the water kept them from gettin' too hot...jus' > wonderin'... > > > > > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > > > From: James Dwan <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> > > > Subject: [tcb] Re: Heat in a late Bay... can it > be done? > > > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 8:06 AM > > > Well I > > > spent a couple of hours insulating the front of the > Bus with > > > the solar bubble wrap, original fiber glass insulation > and > > > the foil backed butyl rubber sheets for sound > deadening so I > > > didn't get a chance to try the fan installation > > > yet. > > > Lowes also has a small bag of fiber glass > > > insulation pretty cheap for small places like under > the > > > dash. I had some serious drafts under there now they > are > > > gone > > > I did find that a 12v computer fan is 3.75 > > > inches and is a bit cheaper than the bilge fan. Not > sure > > > which one I'm gonna use yet. > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Will > > > <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > > > > From: Will <evil.scientist.boo@xxxxxxxxx> > > > Subject: [tcb] Re: Heat in a late Bay... > > > can it be done? > > > To: "tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" > > > <tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 10:49 PM > > > > > > That's because of the bullet holes. > > > > > > > > > -- Sent from my > > > Palm Pre > > > Neil wrote: > > > > > > True! Believe me, mine is too well venilated! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Edward Maikranz > > > <maikranze@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Edward Maikranz <maikranze@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > Subject: [tcb] Re: Heat in a late Bay... can it > be > > > done? > > > > > > > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 1:58 PM > > > > > > > One thing to remember when burning propane > > > > > > > in a vehicle is the amount of water vapor > produced. > > > Just > > > > > > > another reason to make sure you are well > ventilated > > > when > > > > > > > doing so, or you may find yourself with an indoor > rain > > > > > > > forest! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM, > > > > > > > Neil <nbmdude@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mine is somewhat similar to Mike's...its a > > > ProCat...the > > > > > > > battery powered fan is weak, but it does put out > > > enough heat > > > > > > > to keep ya toasty, drivin' or > sleepin'... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Mike Hayes > > > <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Mike Hayes <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [tcb] Re: Heat in a late Bay... can > it > > > be > > > > > > > done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 8:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what I use when it gets below > > > freezing. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just have to crack a window. I bungee > cord > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > under the dash so it doesn't fall > over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200307957_200307957 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > James Dwan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I'll mount it at the front > of > > > the > > > > > > > heater tube. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I called West Marine by my house and they > have > > > the > > > > > > > 4" for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > $35. After X-mas decorating tonight I'm > gonna > > > > > > > finish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrapping the front tubes, insulate the front > skin > > > blow > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the whole thing with compressed air and > install > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I don't have too much egg > nog... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Fri, 12/11/09, Denis Dodson > > > /<coocoo@xxxxxxx>/* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Denis Dodson > > > <coocoo@xxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [tcb] Re: > > > Heat in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > late Bay... can it be done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, > > > December 11, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009, 1:07 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > James, I have a Fan > > > from some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guys that advertise in Hot VW. You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to cut in to > > > the heating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > channel and put an in-line fan in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there. West Marine, > > > or any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > boat supplier has them as bilge fans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to mount it > > > pretty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far forward or they will melt. And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes, they are noisy, > > > but they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blow really good strong hot air. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have a divider > > > behind my seat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and it will get too hot in my bus to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > run it non stop. I > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friends up here who have done it in a Bay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and they were amazed > > > how much > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heat it gives off. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do it today! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* > > > tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:tcb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *On Behalf Of *James > > > Dwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Friday, > > > December 11, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009 12:16 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *To:* > > > tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* [tcb] Re: > > > Heat in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > late Bay... can it be done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thats a lot more > > > expensive! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read that the > > > plastic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tends to melt on those and they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > loud. Someone > > > suggested this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/itemDetailsRender.shtml?ItemId=1611630889 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I have no idea > > > how I would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mount it inline. Any ideas? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Fri, > > > 12/11/09, Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Martin /<danandkatrinamartin@xxxxxxx>/* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Dan Martin > > > <danandkatrinamartin@xxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [tcb] Re: > > > Heat in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > late Bay... can it be done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, > > > December 11, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009, 11:15 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.vwheaters.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (bilge blower) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 11, 2009, at > > > 10:36 AM, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > James Dwan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah the window > > > felts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that are on there allow cold air in and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the jalousies do > > > too. What is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the correct way to replace the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > felts? Start in the > > > corner or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at the vent window? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would a bilge > > > blower be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better? Cheaper? There is a West Marine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > closer than a > > > Fry's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, > > > 12/11/09, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edward Maikranz <maikranze@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Edward > > > Maikranz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <maikranze@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [tcb] > > > Re: Heat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a late Bay... can it be done? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: > > > tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday, > > > December > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11, 2009, 10:22 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A bilge blower > > > from a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > boat mounted in the tube will really make > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, the best > > > thing to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do to a bay to stay warm is to really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > work on sealing it > > > up and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping the cold air out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed Maikranz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 11, > > > 2009 at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10:16 AM, James Dwan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <james_dwan_2000@xxxxxxxxx> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I plan on > > > taking the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > family to the Prairie Lights next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weekend (should be > > > about 3 hrs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Bus) then up to Grandma's on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK for X-mas so i > > > need a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heating solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far I have > > > wrapped the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > main tube with solar bubble wrap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > twice, tightened the > > > clasps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around the heater blower motor where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they attach to the > > > tubes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was planning > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rebuilding the accordion tubes but that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > involves ordering > > > parts and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dealing with asbestos rings. Which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no big deal but I > > > have a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not mount 2 > > > computer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fans (12v) to either end of the tunnel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to push more air? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone > > > tried this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I put my > > > hand on the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dash the air is hot enough but it just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't seem to > > > be in a hurry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ya know? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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