OK, OK, I know I am responding to my own e-mail: But just found this: According to Eccles the bus first had fresh air heat beginning on 12/10/62 with vin 1040368. Which means this ain't a "perfect" restoration 62 23 window even though it ought to be for the $65,000 asking price. It is either a late 63 or an incorrect 62. Not as bad as the "perfect" restoration 58 convertible I saw on the Samba restored 20 years ago by a VW expert. Was "perfect" original restoration except when you read the entire ad which describes it with a 1600 dual port, sitting on a 69 pan with Karman Ghia disc brakes. Which is not bad except they want $16,000 for a 20 year old perfect original restoration. Makes you wonder sometimes. I think Everett should require a VW IQ test before allowing anyone to advertise on the samba. sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Ok, here is a question for you smart bus techies (Will-Peter): Samba ad by Jesse Kimball (related to Rich ?) "perfect" 62 23 window for big bucks shows fresh air heat in this 62 bus. Fresh air heat did not come out on the Type I till into the 63 model year (i.e., early 63s still had stale air heat). So is fresh air heat correct for a 62 Type II? I think not but am still researching for a correct answer. Here is the ad: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=529150