Yes, but I am talking about a trailer only half that size. A 4'x10' or maybe 4'x12' trailer to haul 1-2 motorcycles. Total weight will be about 2,800 pounds, if that. More like 2,400 pounds. You're still hard pressed convincing me Freedom cannot do it. But I understand limits, which is why I would like to borrow one to test before I sink a ton of money into it. Duncan -------- Original message -------- From: sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 08/22/2013 10:27 PM (GMT-06:00) To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tcb] Re: Cruisin' to Athens then to ES Well Duncan there will be another Treffen next year. Not sure of the route at this point, but it was the greatest VW experience I have ever had, and that includes the two other Treffen cruises I have been on. It was probably one of the greatest experiences I have ever had, in a VW or otherwise, well, maybe with an exception of one or two with members of the opposite sex. Not sure what it was, but the route is probably the best anywhere in the continental US and we had a great bonding experience among the drivers and co-drivers who made it all the way. Two of which by the way were Vanagons. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I would recommend it highly to any VW driver who has the guts and a VW that will make the trip. Canada to Mexico on the Pacific coast, 11 states, 6,000+ miles in 16 days. I got very intimate with the Baja. And I just finished loading the 550 in the trailer for the trip to Eureka, leaving early in the morning. And Duncan, I just had my first experience pulling an enclosed trailer. It's not a long one, 20' which is about the minimum length if you plan to haul cars, and it pulls like a parachute. It only weighs 2,600 empty but pulls like it weighs 6,000. There ain't no way in hell you can pull one with a Westy. My 1/2 ton 325 hp chevy was struggling. From: Duncan <whocanduncan1@xxxxxxxxx> To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:19 PM Subject: [tcb] Cruisin' to Athens then to ES Cindy is driving so I caught up with Sammie's post on The Samba about his Treffen cruise. Damn him. More fun than one person is allowed within 3 weeks. Just kidding! ;) Sounds like you had a blast Sammie, as you stated about, oh, 100 times. Will you consider hosting a similar trip next year? But with a trip to The Road To The Sun in Glacier NP? My problem is I want to take both Freedom and Harvey (the Harley). Hope to see as many TCBers as possible this weekend. Duncan