Yes, 69mm stroke is stock for a 1600. combine that with 87mm pistons and it gives you a 1641. I would go with either a scat C25 cam or the Engle 110. The scat seems to give better low end torque. -------------- Original message -------------- From: sammie smith <bugcollections@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Uh, 69 is a stock stroke in a 1600 isn't it? --- On Sun, 9/28/08, chuck blue <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: chuck blue <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [tcb] Re: Bluebus Blues To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 5:28 PM As near as I can determine it may be a 1641.The crank had a 69 stamped in it which could be a stroker crank. ----- Original Message ----- From: Denis Dodson To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 5:16 PM Subject: [tcb] Re: Bluebus Blues So, if you just re-assemble what you have will it be a 1600? ----- Original Message ----- From: chuck blue To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 4:47 PM Subject: [tcb] Re: Bluebus Blues I think the crank may be okay.It doesn't look like there has been any or very little metal transfer.If worse comes to worse I'm sure that the crank can be turned.I'm going to tackle the crank tomorrow.If that can be salvaged then all I'm looking at is bearings and gaskets for repair parts .I think I will at least put a cam and lifters in italso. A 1905 would be real nice but I don't want to have machine work on the case.That is not in the repair budget. In addition to everything else when it was assembled they missed the rear main dowel pin and punched they bearing.I think that was fixed before the assembly was completed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Denis Dodson To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 4:29 PM Subject: [tcb] Re: Bluebus Blues Well, it was a father son project and then the father died. Maybe the kid finished it or maybe neither had a clue. Now you can build a 1905. ----- Original Message ----- From: chuck blue To: Denis l Dodson Cc: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: [tcb] Re: Bluebus Blues I dissembled the Bluebus engine and found several interesting things.lots of silicone seal,loose nuts and bolts rod bolt nuts not staked.some sort of after market rockers with swivel feet.8 dowel crankshaft with a spun rod bearing on number one cylinder,late style case with early oil pump,old lifters.I think the p.o. probably installed a high performance cam but I don't know for sure.It also had bolt on rocker covers.pistons are 86.95s with a sp 0.05 marked on top of the piston.crankshaft looks like it has had some passage filled.It doesn't look stock.I really don't know what I have.Judging from the looks of the cam and lifters I would think the are probably stock with a VW part number on the cam gear.The rod journal looks like it could be cleaned up.I'm going to use crocus cloth on it and mic it to see if it might salvageable.The pistons cylinders look good as does the other internal engine parts. The crank has been stamped with 69 7 04 and has a casting name ? LEPE on one side and INPAVI on the other side any help would be appreciated I was lucky that it happened during a road test rather that on a trip. I think someone tried to build a nice engine but did a poor job of assembly because they had no Idea how to put it together. . ----- Original Message From: Denis Dodson To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 11:11 PM Subject: [tcb] Re: Bluebus Blues I screwed Chuck on the sale of the BlueBus. I worked hard to sell him a good starter for crumbs. I should have worked hard to sell him junk for a high price, but I forgot to do that. ----- Original Message ----- From: mechmark@xxxxxxxxxxx To: tcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 10:52 PM Subject: [tcb] Re: Bluebus Blues You can do it!!! We have faith in you. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "chuck blue" <sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> I am still planning to be at the point.I have pulled the engine and it is mounted in a engine stand.I pulled the plugs and there is oil on the #4 sparkplug so I think it blew a piston.If it is a stock size I should have it covered. I have a complete set of pistons and cylinders.I will know tomorrow. I drove Bluebus about five miles after it happened so I am pretty sure it's not a rod or it wouldn't have lasted the five miles.I'll keep you informed. ----- Original Message ----- From: julie.hey.ho.lets.go@xxxxxxxxx To: chuck blue Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 3:36 PM Subject: Bluebus Blues Chuck, Bluebus should be at T@P no matter what. If you can't get him running right in time, assuming Murray is roadworthy maybe your trailer queen brother-in-law can haul Murray to your place, then Murray gets kicked off the trailer, and Bluebus takes the throne and gets to enjoy the trip without doing the work, Sue will get to do the camping she is looking forward to. It will all work out. Besides you have to bring me my earring. Julie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1637 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:01 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1696 - Release Date: 9/28/2008 1:30 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1696 - Release Date: 9/28/2008 1:30 PM